Sure YOU think that, but she wouldn't be so unequivocal.
It's say go back to S1 and refresh yourself about the facts of their marriage.
I've watched season 1 twice, and I've seen nothing that makes me think she wouldn't feel guilt about him, but putting him aside, she should be racked with guilt over her daughter. An empire that just slaughtered an entire planet worth of people isn't going to think twice about trying to torture information out of her and killing her when she has nothing to give. Mon must know that, and for this to all happen without even a mention of her guilt, is weird to me.
You can infer a lot from her performance. Just because it isn't literally, explicitly said, doesn't mean it's not there. Maybe in the next arc she'll stand over Perin's body, check his pulse, and shake her head.
Ooh, deep cut.
Re: Star Wars: Andor (Disney+)
Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 5:23 pm
by Ensign9
Tony Gilroy wrote: ”Dan Gilroy (Tony's brother & Andor writer)wrote an amazing, entirely self-contained episode that was episode 209. It was an amazing episode that was like a horror movie. It was the K2 story. They had to bring this huge ugly tanker ship to Yavin, and there was a KX unit that was trapped inside there hunting. It was sort of like a monster movie with K2 on it. It was really cool.”
“We could not afford to do it. It was made clear that it was out of the range, so we had to abandon that and consolidate things.”
“The whole dynamic and the economics of everything changed between season 1 and season 2. Season 1 was, ‘Oh my God, Pearl Harbor was just bombed! Build aircraft carriers as fast as possible! We don't care! Size, scale, build it, go Game of Thrones! Money is no object. Make it!’. By the time we got to season 2, and Bob [Iger] came back, everything had changed and everybody was belt-tightening. It's hard to ask for more money when they're laying people off at Disney, and we were like, ‘Wow, man. Well, we built half an aircraft carrier. We'd like to finish it.’”
"We made as many concessions as we could, but it was still a huge gamble on their part to keep going and still a huge ask. So thank you, Disney, and thank you Lucasfilm. It was lot of tough conversations and a lot of anxiety, but really, in the end, they really backed our play.”
Re: Star Wars: Andor (Disney+)
Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 5:25 pm
by Ensign9
Why quote tag not work?
Re: Star Wars: Andor (Disney+)
Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 5:43 pm
by dimejinky99
E.H. Ruddock wrote:Back to discussing the show and it's arc without influence from outside SW sites and podcasts, which I've been told numerous times to stay away from, do we think we'll see Bix again? or was that it, her leaving so he has focus?
Nobody like Americans to ignore the actual creators of the show and their intentions and run with their own version of the story and insist it’s that.
Kind of the whole message of the show and they still don’t get it
lol.
Re: Star Wars: Andor (Disney+)
Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 5:50 pm
by dimejinky99
Watch that. It might ring a bell somewhere in your empty bonce
Re: Star Wars: Andor (Disney+)
Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 5:59 pm
by B
Ensign9 wrote:Why quote tag not work?
I fixed it.
You have to use " not ”
Re: Star Wars: Andor (Disney+)
Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 6:09 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
dimejinky99 wrote:Watch that. It might ring a bell somewhere in your empty bonce
Who are you talking to here? I'm not arguing with you about Israel and Palenstine, dime. We're trying to point out that we may not be the ones misunderstanding what was said about Andor/Cyril in that link you posted. But ok, yeah, American SW fans are all stupid. What a weird trip you are on today in here. We always throw out ideas and theories, and you just come in guns blazing and shitting on everything that is said if it isn't what you said. weird vibe in here.
Re: Star Wars: Andor (Disney+)
Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 6:23 pm
by epilogue
E.H. Ruddock wrote:Back to discussing the show and it's arc without influence from outside SW sites and podcasts, which I've been told numerous times to stay away from, do we think we'll see Bix again? or was that it, her leaving so he has focus?
I had the same thought/question. My desperate hope is that we do see her again because I love her. However, seeing her again probably means we see her die and that would suck. Also, that farewell was pretty fucking perfect, honestly. Especially for a character who was (in my opinion) sort of sidelined.
So, I don't know but I won't be surprised if that was it. I guess if I have to pick a prediction... ? I'll say she's not in the final arc. It's cleaner. And it clears the way for everything between Jyn and Cass in Rogue One.
Re: Star Wars: Andor (Disney+)
Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 6:26 pm
by epilogue
B wrote:
epilogue wrote:
B wrote:
epilogue wrote:
B wrote:
Simple Torture wrote:Her husband, fuck him.
Sure YOU think that, but she wouldn't be so unequivocal.
It's say go back to S1 and refresh yourself about the facts of their marriage.
I've watched season 1 twice, and I've seen nothing that makes me think she wouldn't feel guilt about him, but putting him aside, she should be racked with guilt over her daughter. An empire that just slaughtered an entire planet worth of people isn't going to think twice about trying to torture information out of her and killing her when she has nothing to give. Mon must know that, and for this to all happen without even a mention of her guilt, is weird to me.
You can infer a lot from her performance. Just because it isn't literally, explicitly said, doesn't mean it's not there. Maybe in the next arc she'll stand over Perin's body, check his pulse, and shake her head.
Ooh, deep cut.
I hear what you're saying but I think there is justifiable reason for not including an explicit moment or moments. Also, the story isn't over. Maybe you'll get something in the next arc.
It's not something that I bumped against because of the way everything played out and everything we've seen over the course of the series with Mothma and her family/family dynamic.
Re: Star Wars: Andor (Disney+)
Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 6:27 pm
by @SkitchP
From Star Wars official site
"Syril has been chasing Cassian since the moment we met him, and he recognizes his target on sight, venting all his frustrations by pummeling the rebel with his fists"
Tony Gilroy wrote: ”Dan Gilroy (Tony's brother & Andor writer)wrote an amazing, entirely self-contained episode that was episode 209. It was an amazing episode that was like a horror movie. It was the K2 story. They had to bring this huge ugly tanker ship to Yavin, and there was a KX unit that was trapped inside there hunting. It was sort of like a monster movie with K2 on it. It was really cool.”
“We could not afford to do it. It was made clear that it was out of the range, so we had to abandon that and consolidate things.”
“The whole dynamic and the economics of everything changed between season 1 and season 2. Season 1 was, ‘Oh my God, Pearl Harbor was just bombed! Build aircraft carriers as fast as possible! We don't care! Size, scale, build it, go Game of Thrones! Money is no object. Make it!’. By the time we got to season 2, and Bob [Iger] came back, everything had changed and everybody was belt-tightening. It's hard to ask for more money when they're laying people off at Disney, and we were like, ‘Wow, man. Well, we built half an aircraft carrier. We'd like to finish it.’”
"We made as many concessions as we could, but it was still a huge gamble on their part to keep going and still a huge ask. So thank you, Disney, and thank you Lucasfilm. It was lot of tough conversations and a lot of anxiety, but really, in the end, they really backed our play.”
OH man! That would have been really cool to see, and it's also much closer to the original canon version of how Cassian and K2 met. Ah well....
I like the show's version well enough.
Re: Star Wars: Andor (Disney+)
Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 6:52 pm
by epilogue
@SkitchP wrote:From Star Wars official site
"Syril has been chasing Cassian since the moment we met him, and he recognizes his target on sight, venting all his frustrations by pummeling the rebel with his fists"
"We are in crisis. The distance between what is said and what is known to be true has become an abyss."
Re: Star Wars: Andor (Disney+)
Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 6:56 pm
by epilogue
Also, man... having the bellhop/desk manager say "Rebellions are built on hope" to Cass.... fuck me! That's the kind of thing that could rub fans the wrong way. But to me, it is the essence of George's whole "it rhymes" thing. That, to me, is the right way to do fan service (a term I hate but employ here to make a point).
Re: Star Wars: Andor (Disney+)
Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 6:57 pm
by epilogue
Did this get posted yet? So good!
For all the fans and friends, but most especially... for our guy, Bi... I know how you love a YouTube:
Re: Star Wars: Andor (Disney+)
Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 7:11 pm
by @SkitchP
epilogue wrote:Also, man... having the bellhop/desk manager say "Rebellions are built on hope" to Cass.... fuck me! That's the kind of thing that could rub fans the wrong way. But to me, it is the essence of George's whole "it rhymes" thing. That, to me, is the right way to do fan service (a term I hate but employ here to make a point).
In the moment I thought it was a little hokey, but as I've thought about it, Andor taking a phrase from a guy who knew his home was about to be destroyed to some degree is kind of awesome. Like the spirit of Ghorman persists.
Re: Star Wars: Andor (Disney+)
Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 7:15 pm
by Simple Torture
dimejinky99 wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:Back to discussing the show and it's arc without influence from outside SW sites and podcasts, which I've been told numerous times to stay away from, do we think we'll see Bix again? or was that it, her leaving so he has focus?
Nobody like Americans to ignore the actual creators of the show and their intentions and run with their own version of the story and insist it’s that.
Kind of the whole message of the show and they still don’t get it
lol.
Once a text is out of an author’s hands, they have lost control of it. It generates meaning; they don’t. If he wanted it to mean that, he should’ve put it in there. Syril could’ve yelled “Don’t shoot at my girlfriend, dickhead!” And then we wouldn’t have to think about his whole life and how it got upended TWICE by the rebels, and how he’s never really had any control over any part of his life, and how he had just realized that he could’ve used this simmering rage for good instead of globbing onto a fascist regime, and how maybe if he had snuck out of the square maybe he could have finally seen the galaxy with some clarity and lived for himself, but then he ran into the man who was the absolute symbol of his ineptitude and failures, and he decides that no, instead of dealing with his shit he will just kill this fucking symbol and that will solve all of his problems (oh shit, it’s Moby-Dick again), and Cassian looks at him and is like “Who is this fucking guy?” and it’s probably that look from Cassian that cut deeper than anything else, even worse than Dedra’s betrayal, because he finally realizes that he’s nothing, to anyone, except maybe an annoyance to his mother and a fuck toy to a begrudgingly genocidal ladder climber, and at that point he was truly and actually dead, before the blaster bolt even hit him in the fucking head.
Oh, no, wait a second! The creator didn’t say any of that, so I guess we should all go with his reading because he’s the authority on it. I like that idea, it only upends 100 years of critical theory and turns art into fast food. Got it.
Re: Star Wars: Andor (Disney+)
Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 7:16 pm
by B
dimejinky99 wrote:
It's not funny to make fun of people with mental health issues.
Re: Star Wars: Andor (Disney+)
Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 7:22 pm
by epilogue
@SkitchP wrote:
epilogue wrote:Also, man... having the bellhop/desk manager say "Rebellions are built on hope" to Cass.... fuck me! That's the kind of thing that could rub fans the wrong way. But to me, it is the essence of George's whole "it rhymes" thing. That, to me, is the right way to do fan service (a term I hate but employ here to make a point).
In the moment I thought it was a little hokey, but as I've thought about it, Andor taking a phrase from a guy who knew his home was about to be destroyed to some degree is kind of awesome. Like the spirit of Ghorman persists.
I think the cherry on top was that he threw that bomb and killed all those Storm Troopers
Re: Star Wars: Andor (Disney+)
Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 7:34 pm
by epilogue
B wrote:I've watched season 1 twice, and I've seen nothing that makes me think she wouldn't feel guilt about him, but putting him aside, she should be racked with guilt over her daughter. An empire that just slaughtered an entire planet worth of people isn't going to think twice about trying to torture information out of her and killing her when she has nothing to give. Mon must know that, and for this to all happen without even a mention of her guilt, is weird to me.
What if, in the next arc, we see Perrin disavow Mothma to the Empire? Would that change any of this for you?
Re: Star Wars: Andor (Disney+)
Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 7:47 pm
by B
epilogue wrote:
B wrote:I've watched season 1 twice, and I've seen nothing that makes me think she wouldn't feel guilt about him, but putting him aside, she should be racked with guilt over her daughter. An empire that just slaughtered an entire planet worth of people isn't going to think twice about trying to torture information out of her and killing her when she has nothing to give. Mon must know that, and for this to all happen without even a mention of her guilt, is weird to me.
What if, in the next arc, we see Perrin disavow Mothma to the Empire? Would that change any of this for you?
I don't see how his future actions would change her guilt now.
But look, I'll concede that she may not feel guilt over Perrin. She was obviously unhappy in the marriage and keeping secrets from him. I didn't feel it was to the point of carelessly abandoning him to the whims of an Empire bent on finding her, but I'm willing to surrender this point.
But is she not at all concerned that the Empire will arrest, interrogate, torture, imprison, and/or kill her daughter? She should have been refusing to go to Yavin without assurances that someone would keep her daughter safe.
