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theplatypus wrote:That's not what the directors say -- they've stated in interviews that Cap lives out a life in a brand new timeline. That said, of course it's open to interpretation, and I understand there's some disagreement about it (the screenwriters seem to have their own theory).

My own take on it lines up with what the Russos said. Cap goes back, lives out a long and happy life with Peggy (maybe even doing some superhero shit) in an alternate timeline, and then goes back to the main timeline to say goodbye to his friends. Why doesn't he go appear in the time-machine thing that he left in? Well, I think there's both a story justification and a directorial justification. The story justification is that Cap has that time GPS wrist thing as well as a bunch of Pym particles, so he can hop back and forth between time and space (as he's been doing to return the stones to their timelines) -- there is no actual need for him to go through the machine. The machine is just what he used to enter the time stream. The directorial justification is that having Cap disappear for a moment, creating a mild panic, and then having the guys slowly come to the realization that he's the figure sitting off in the bench is simply more dramatic, interesting and satisfying than having him just appear immediately in the same spot as an old man.

Having him go back in time and live a lifetime in the main timeline not only contradicts the movie's time travel logic (they explain -- and we are shown -- that changing the past doesn't alter the future, instead creating a new timeline) but it also opens the door to a bunch of continuity and character problems. Does Steve Rogers just lay low while Hydra is torturing and brainwashing Bucky? Does he sit idly by as the snap from Infinity War happens, creating unspeakable anguish for literally billions? How about the times he met Peggy as an old woman -- are those no longer canon? It doesn't sit well with what we've seen.

theplatypus wrote:That's not what the directors say -- they've stated in interviews that Cap lives out a life in a brand new timeline. That said, of course it's open to interpretation, and I understand there's some disagreement about it (the screenwriters seem to have their own theory).

My own take on it lines up with what the Russos said. Cap goes back, lives out a long and happy life with Peggy (maybe even doing some superhero shit) in an alternate timeline, and then goes back to the main timeline to say goodbye to his friends. Why doesn't he go appear in the time-machine thing that he left in? Well, I think there's both a story justification and a directorial justification. The story justification is that Cap has that time GPS wrist thing as well as a bunch of Pym particles, so he can hop back and forth between time and space (as he's been doing to return the stones to their timelines) -- there is no actual need for him to go through the machine. The machine is just what he used to enter the time stream. The directorial justification is that having Cap disappear for a moment, creating a mild panic, and then having the guys slowly come to the realization that he's the figure sitting off in the bench is simply more dramatic, interesting and satisfying than having him just appear immediately in the same spot as an old man.

Having him go back in time and live a lifetime in the main timeline not only contradicts the movie's time travel logic (they explain -- and we are shown -- that changing the past doesn't alter the future, instead creating a new timeline) but it also opens the door to a bunch of continuity and character problems. Does Steve Rogers just lay low while Hydra is torturing and brainwashing Bucky? Does he sit idly by as the snap from Infinity War happens, creating unspeakable anguish for literally billions? How about the times he met Peggy as an old woman -- are those no longer canon? It doesn't sit well with what we've seen.

Mecca wrote:

theplatypus wrote:That's not what the directors say -- they've stated in interviews that Cap lives out a life in a brand new timeline. That said, of course it's open to interpretation, and I understand there's some disagreement about it (the screenwriters seem to have their own theory).

My own take on it lines up with what the Russos said. Cap goes back, lives out a long and happy life with Peggy (maybe even doing some superhero shit) in an alternate timeline, and then goes back to the main timeline to say goodbye to his friends. Why doesn't he go appear in the time-machine thing that he left in? Well, I think there's both a story justification and a directorial justification. The story justification is that Cap has that time GPS wrist thing as well as a bunch of Pym particles, so he can hop back and forth between time and space (as he's been doing to return the stones to their timelines) -- there is no actual need for him to go through the machine. The machine is just what he used to enter the time stream. The directorial justification is that having Cap disappear for a moment, creating a mild panic, and then having the guys slowly come to the realization that he's the figure sitting off in the bench is simply more dramatic, interesting and satisfying than having him just appear immediately in the same spot as an old man.

Having him go back in time and live a lifetime in the main timeline not only contradicts the movie's time travel logic (they explain -- and we are shown -- that changing the past doesn't alter the future, instead creating a new timeline) but it also opens the door to a bunch of continuity and character problems. Does Steve Rogers just lay low while Hydra is torturing and brainwashing Bucky? Does he sit idly by as the snap from Infinity War happens, creating unspeakable anguish for literally billions? How about the times he met Peggy as an old woman -- are those no longer canon? It doesn't sit well with what we've seen.

all those things still happened in the main timeline. Cap lived to be old cap in a separate timeline, but returned to that exact moment to appear on the bench in the main one.

theplatypus wrote:

Mecca wrote:

theplatypus wrote:That's not what the directors say -- they've stated in interviews that Cap lives out a life in a brand new timeline. That said, of course it's open to interpretation, and I understand there's some disagreement about it (the screenwriters seem to have their own theory).

My own take on it lines up with what the Russos said. Cap goes back, lives out a long and happy life with Peggy (maybe even doing some superhero shit) in an alternate timeline, and then goes back to the main timeline to say goodbye to his friends. Why doesn't he go appear in the time-machine thing that he left in? Well, I think there's both a story justification and a directorial justification. The story justification is that Cap has that time GPS wrist thing as well as a bunch of Pym particles, so he can hop back and forth between time and space (as he's been doing to return the stones to their timelines) -- there is no actual need for him to go through the machine. The machine is just what he used to enter the time stream. The directorial justification is that having Cap disappear for a moment, creating a mild panic, and then having the guys slowly come to the realization that he's the figure sitting off in the bench is simply more dramatic, interesting and satisfying than having him just appear immediately in the same spot as an old man.

Having him go back in time and live a lifetime in the main timeline not only contradicts the movie's time travel logic (they explain -- and we are shown -- that changing the past doesn't alter the future, instead creating a new timeline) but it also opens the door to a bunch of continuity and character problems. Does Steve Rogers just lay low while Hydra is torturing and brainwashing Bucky? Does he sit idly by as the snap from Infinity War happens, creating unspeakable anguish for literally billions? How about the times he met Peggy as an old woman -- are those no longer canon? It doesn't sit well with what we've seen.

all those things still happened in the main timeline. Cap lived to be old cap in a separate timeline, but returned to that exact moment to appear on the bench in the main one.

That's what I said

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dimejinky99 wrote:Wow. They really want that #1 in the world spot.
Playing Avatar at its own game, Endgame is to be re released in cinemas with extra footage.

They’ll easily take the crown now.

wease wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Wow. They really want that #1 in the world spot.
Playing Avatar at its own game, Endgame is to be re released in cinemas with extra footage.

They’ll easily take the crown now.

Extra footage?