Red Mosquito

stip wrote:When songs like Not For You, Betterman, and Nothingman have to get in line behind songs like Immortality, Corduroy, Tremor Christ, and Last Exit you're not even dealing with something made by humans anymore.

theplatypus wrote:This song "Future Days" sure has an acoustic guitar in it.

malice wrote:I read stip's post like five times and I honestly don't know what he's saying there

stip

Heathen wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Eddie Vedder is a person.

We said only facts, Burt

stip wrote:When songs like Not For You, Betterman, and Nothingman have to get in line behind songs like Immortality, Corduroy, Tremor Christ, and Last Exit you're not even dealing with something made by humans anymore.

cutuphalfdead wrote:You know what, no matter what they could change I don't think it would stop Ed from sucking.

Heathen wrote:

malice wrote:I read stip's post like five times and I honestly don't know what he's saying there

You could have just shortened that post to:

stip

digster wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:
I understand that. The last 3 albums haven't been breakway hits, but they've all been moderately successful. The other direction of that is shrinking from Riot Act. To put numbers to it, proportionally speaking, Riot Act would have sold 200k-250k max in 2014. Shrinking from that, they've be well below that if the "stuck to their guns". So, I'd argue that the last 3 albums, holding to my "moderately successful" assumption, has 'come back' fairly well. They're much more on a Bruce track right now, rather than like a late-Black Crowes or later-REM or later Jackson Browne track.

I think you may be looking at what they're trying to be vs. what they actually are. On this dead period of PJ's existence, they sold out MSG two nights in a row. As I said, there's nothing to suggest that they were on a 'downhill' course in terms of their popularity or fanbase; does anyone really think if they had maintained the popularity they had with Riot Act, they'd have trouble filling arenas today? There's also no evidence that they've had this massive explosion of popularity. There's still playing the same places about the same amount overall.

Heathen wrote:The facts thing was good while it lasted.

BurtReynolds wrote:

I wish people would stop equating a different direction and different choices with giving up or not caring.

I'd call it "caring less", which they absolutely do. They have other priorities, and it shows in their music, from songwriting to execution. Attributing their recent change in direction solely to sheer artistic expression is highly unlikely to be correct. This is what they want to do, but its based on lots of things, not just music.

This is only my opinion of course. There are a host of reasons I think this, and they have been listed time after time after time by me and everyone else, opinions which are simply dismissed by Stip as "they just don't like it". My opinion on this has nothing to do with the fact I don't like the music. There are tons of bands I don't particularly like, but respect that they have different taste. PRAMG PJ is not one of those bands. Their taste hasn't changed that dramatically, but their ability to execute, their motivations, and their priorities have, all for the worse, from a music making standpoint. i'm sure they are all just deliriously happy. Good for them.

Of course, Stip will just ignore all this, and incredulously bring up his points again in a couple of weeks anyway, as if none of these conversations have ever taken place, and we will all repeat the usually talking points again.

This is our hell, and one we have chosen for ourselves.

malice wrote:

Heathen wrote:

malice wrote:I read stip's post like five times and I honestly don't know what he's saying there

You could have just shortened that post to:

stip

i mean, i'd actually like to know what he's saying. was it a complimentary post or a derogatory one? I can't tell!

Lament wrote:Future Days made its live debut at Wrigley Field in the summer of 2013. Wrigley Field is a baseball stadium in Chicago, Illinois.

malice wrote:

Heathen wrote:The facts thing was good while it lasted.

projection is where's it's at, pal

Lament wrote:Future Days made its live debut at Wrigley Field in the summer of 2013. Wrigley Field is a baseball stadium in Chicago, Illinois.

malice wrote:I read stip's post like five times and I honestly don't know what he's saying there

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stip wrote:When songs like Not For You, Betterman, and Nothingman have to get in line behind songs like Immortality, Corduroy, Tremor Christ, and Last Exit you're not even dealing with something made by humans anymore.

???

tommymctom wrote:

malice wrote:

Heathen wrote:

malice wrote:I read stip's post like five times and I honestly don't know what he's saying there

You could have just shortened that post to:

stip

i mean, i'd actually like to know what he's saying. was it a complimentary post or a derogatory one? I can't tell!

It was highly complimentary towards Vitalogy.

malice wrote:

tommymctom wrote:

malice wrote:

Heathen wrote:

malice wrote:I read stip's post like five times and I honestly don't know what he's saying there

You could have just shortened that post to:

stip

i mean, i'd actually like to know what he's saying. was it a complimentary post or a derogatory one? I can't tell!

It was highly complimentary towards Vitalogy.

well, you're a robot, of course that's what you think about that post.