Red Mosquito

theplatypus wrote:

Strat wrote:But these assumptions against Eddie/ Pearl Jam are just ridiculous.

Ed has said nice things to Dave a over the past year most recently last night. They invited the drummers (Dave is the only to not take that as an invite) and he puts up a stink. Maybe Dave a is the brat here. Why is the assumption ed is the continuing asshole ? Nobody knows.

Again, how do you know? Was it an actual invite? In that public statement they basically said "yeah he can come", but what does that entail? Come join me on this trip to Speculationtown: I get the impression that Dave A. is very much a "working musician", and those HOF seats are pricey; maybe he just couldn't afford it. Did the band offer to pay for his attendance? It feels like they're in a position where they could easily put him up if they really wanted him to be there. OK, another theory: maybe money's not the issue, but Dave A. just wasn't invited to perform with the band on stage. Wouldn't it feel a little weird to be sitting as, essentially, an audience member while your former band-- the band that fired you-- is getting inducted, and you don't even get to perform with them afterwards? One more: maybe Dave's beef isn't with the band, but with the HOF for not inducting him. His last Facebook post talks about how his daughter "wishes they'd changed their mind", but it's not clear whether he's talking about the band or the HOF as an organization. Maybe he used to be under the impression that the band was able to convince them to induct him, and then when it was proven that they weren't, Dave's frustration shifted to the HOF. I dunno man! So many possible scenarios here, and we don't really know anything. The band may or may not be at fault. But just like we shouldn't assume Ed is the asshole, doesn't it feel kind of fucked up to hear people say "fuck Dave A! What a brat! What a whiny pissbaby!" when we haven't even heard his side of it? *SHRUG*

given2trade wrote:And by the way, everything Dave A. has done and said the last 6 months points to him being a royal douchebag. Would you want to be friends with this guy?

theplatypus wrote:

given2trade wrote:And by the way, everything Dave A. has done and said the last 6 months points to him being a royal douchebag. Would you want to be friends with this guy?

I don't know. I would not want to be friends with a guy like Ed either. I don't see what that's got to do with anything.

given2trade wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

Strat wrote:But these assumptions against Eddie/ Pearl Jam are just ridiculous.

Ed has said nice things to Dave a over the past year most recently last night. They invited the drummers (Dave is the only to not take that as an invite) and he puts up a stink. Maybe Dave a is the brat here. Why is the assumption ed is the continuing asshole ? Nobody knows.

Again, how do you know? Was it an actual invite? In that public statement they basically said "yeah he can come", but what does that entail? Come join me on this trip to Speculationtown: I get the impression that Dave A. is very much a "working musician", and those HOF seats are pricey; maybe he just couldn't afford it. Did the band offer to pay for his attendance? It feels like they're in a position where they could easily put him up if they really wanted him to be there. OK, another theory: maybe money's not the issue, but Dave A. just wasn't invited to perform with the band on stage. Wouldn't it feel a little weird to be sitting as, essentially, an audience member while your former band-- the band that fired you-- is getting inducted, and you don't even get to perform with them afterwards? One more: maybe Dave's beef isn't with the band, but with the HOF for not inducting him. His last Facebook post talks about how his daughter "wishes they'd changed their mind", but it's not clear whether he's talking about the band or the HOF as an organization. Maybe he used to be under the impression that the band was able to convince them to induct him, and then when it was proven that they weren't, Dave's frustration shifted to the HOF. I dunno man! So many possible scenarios here, and we don't really know anything. The band may or may not be at fault. But just like we shouldn't assume Ed is the asshole, doesn't it feel kind of fucked up to hear people say "fuck Dave A! What a brat! What a whiny pissbaby!" when we haven't even heard his side of it? *SHRUG*

Why the fuck would they want him there? Do you want your ex wife that you dumped at your 50th birthday party? She had a lot to do with what you became and probably deserves to be there but really?

Look, it's a very odd thing. He wasn't a founder of the band but he *basically* was but because he wasn't he was easily able to be canned. It's pretty unfair but who gives a shit?

Yes, he should have been inducted into the HOF. He is the most important Pearl Jam drummer. But who gives a shit, really.

spike wrote:the most important drummer in pearl jam accounts for like 8% of what pearl jam is, at best.

theplatypus wrote:

given2trade wrote:And by the way, everything Dave A. has done and said the last 6 months points to him being a royal douchebag. Would you want to be friends with this guy?

I don't know. I would not want to be friends with a guy like Ed either. I don't see what that's got to do with anything.

given2trade wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

given2trade wrote:And by the way, everything Dave A. has done and said the last 6 months points to him being a royal douchebag. Would you want to be friends with this guy?

I don't know. I would not want to be friends with a guy like Ed either. I don't see what that's got to do with anything.

He seems to have a lot of great friendships. What's wrong with Ed as a friend?

spike wrote:

given2trade wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

given2trade wrote:And by the way, everything Dave A. has done and said the last 6 months points to him being a royal douchebag. Would you want to be friends with this guy?

I don't know. I would not want to be friends with a guy like Ed either. I don't see what that's got to do with anything.

He seems to have a lot of great friendships. What's wrong with Ed as a friend?

we should probably start a new thread

given2trade wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

given2trade wrote:And by the way, everything Dave A. has done and said the last 6 months points to him being a royal douchebag. Would you want to be friends with this guy?

I don't know. I would not want to be friends with a guy like Ed either. I don't see what that's got to do with anything.

He seems to have a lot of great friendships. What's wrong with Ed as a friend?

theplatypus wrote:

given2trade wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

given2trade wrote:And by the way, everything Dave A. has done and said the last 6 months points to him being a royal douchebag. Would you want to be friends with this guy?

I don't know. I would not want to be friends with a guy like Ed either. I don't see what that's got to do with anything.

He seems to have a lot of great friendships. What's wrong with Ed as a friend?

Well, my mind is immediately going to all the negative things I know about him (kind of an asshole to his subordinates, aloof, smug, not particularly eloquent, etc), but yeah, you're right, he's probably a lovely guy to know and spend time with. What I am saying is people are complex and Dave's probably not a complete douchecanoe either. I feel compelled to stick up for Dave A. right now 'cause people are bashing him when he's already down-- and from the information we have (again, other stuff might come to light, but probably not), all the "fuck Dave A. the crybaby" stuff is not justified.

theplatypus wrote:Not at all

theplatypus wrote:I just took it to mean "I'll speak on this at greater length later on. For now: congrats to the band, enjoy your night". Kinda puzzled as to why you're stuck on that line.

theplatypus wrote:Geez, have some empathy. Dude's probably bummed out and feeling like his one claim to fame is being effectively erased from the history books. I'd be posting morose shit on Facebook too.