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stip wrote:

malice wrote:I read stip's post like five times and I honestly don't know what he's saying there

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stip wrote:When songs like Not For You, Betterman, and Nothingman have to get in line behind songs like Immortality, Corduroy, Tremor Christ, and Last Exit you're not even dealing with something made by humans anymore.

???

there is a helpful context for that post

stip wrote:
There's also no reason to think that the numbers would not have continued to decline. 2003 is 11 years ago. You can see this on this board. If you think a band is past their glory days (as MANY people did in that era), there is only a finite amount of time where the memory of what they were to you will keep you interested in who they are right now. It could be that the decisions they've made are necessary to keep them at the place they want to be.

malice wrote:

Lament wrote:Future Days made its live debut at Wrigley Field in the summer of 2013. Wrigley Field is a baseball stadium in Chicago, Illinois.

located in the USA, yeah?

malice wrote:

stip wrote:

malice wrote:I read stip's post like five times and I honestly don't know what he's saying there

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stip wrote:When songs like Not For You, Betterman, and Nothingman have to get in line behind songs like Immortality, Corduroy, Tremor Christ, and Last Exit you're not even dealing with something made by humans anymore.

???

there is a helpful context for that post

the comprehension problem i'm having is whether you're saying not made by humans is bad or good

digster wrote:

stip wrote:
There's also no reason to think that the numbers would not have continued to decline. 2003 is 11 years ago. You can see this on this board. If you think a band is past their glory days (as MANY people did in that era), there is only a finite amount of time where the memory of what they were to you will keep you interested in who they are right now. It could be that the decisions they've made are necessary to keep them at the place they want to be.

Well, I can't prove a negative, so you're right about that. No one can prove anything about anything in this conversation. What I'm saying is that PJ is right now about where they have been for over 15 years, and there's been no massive uptick in sales, or uptick in concert attendance, or drastic upswing in critical acclaim, or really anything that proves that the decisions they made have changed their standing. So either they somehow became much more commercial and outgoing to end up in the same place they've always been, or perhaps they've just occupied a firm, solid foundation for nearly two decades.

Lament wrote:

malice wrote:

Lament wrote:Future Days made its live debut at Wrigley Field in the summer of 2013. Wrigley Field is a baseball stadium in Chicago, Illinois.

located in the USA, yeah?

Precisely.

The USA (which stands for United States of America) declared its independence from England on July 4th, 1776. Many citizens of the USA celebrate this date every summer as "Independence Day." It is very commonly referred to as "The Fourth of July."

stip wrote:

malice wrote:

stip wrote:

malice wrote:I read stip's post like five times and I honestly don't know what he's saying there

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stip wrote:When songs like Not For You, Betterman, and Nothingman have to get in line behind songs like Immortality, Corduroy, Tremor Christ, and Last Exit you're not even dealing with something made by humans anymore.

???

there is a helpful context for that post

the comprehension problem i'm having is whether you're saying not made by humans is bad or good

http://forums.theskyiscrape.com/viewtop ... =23&t=3755

that depends on how you feel about dolphins or whales

BurtReynolds wrote:You just hate Future Days.

malice wrote:pearl jam's finest work comes from their humanity to me - the pure expression of that humanity. dig?

stip wrote:

malice wrote:

stip wrote:

malice wrote:I read stip's post like five times and I honestly don't know what he's saying there

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this:

stip wrote:When songs like Not For You, Betterman, and Nothingman have to get in line behind songs like Immortality, Corduroy, Tremor Christ, and Last Exit you're not even dealing with something made by humans anymore.

???

there is a helpful context for that post

the comprehension problem i'm having is whether you're saying not made by humans is bad or good

http://forums.theskyiscrape.com/viewtop ... =23&t=3755

that depends on how you feel about dolphins or whales

Heathen wrote:

malice wrote:pearl jam's finest work comes from their humanity to me - the pure expression of that humanity. dig?

Future Days is filled with humanity

stip wrote:

digster wrote:

stip wrote:
There's also no reason to think that the numbers would not have continued to decline. 2003 is 11 years ago. You can see this on this board. If you think a band is past their glory days (as MANY people did in that era), there is only a finite amount of time where the memory of what they were to you will keep you interested in who they are right now. It could be that the decisions they've made are necessary to keep them at the place they want to be.

Well, I can't prove a negative, so you're right about that. No one can prove anything about anything in this conversation. What I'm saying is that PJ is right now about where they have been for over 15 years, and there's been no massive uptick in sales, or uptick in concert attendance, or drastic upswing in critical acclaim, or really anything that proves that the decisions they made have changed their standing. So either they somehow became much more commercial and outgoing to end up in the same place they've always been, or perhaps they've just occupied a firm, solid foundation for nearly two decades.

Lament needs to drop some facts on us. It's the only way we can move on.

Lament wrote:

stip wrote:

digster wrote:

stip wrote:
There's also no reason to think that the numbers would not have continued to decline. 2003 is 11 years ago. You can see this on this board. If you think a band is past their glory days (as MANY people did in that era), there is only a finite amount of time where the memory of what they were to you will keep you interested in who they are right now. It could be that the decisions they've made are necessary to keep them at the place they want to be.

Well, I can't prove a negative, so you're right about that. No one can prove anything about anything in this conversation. What I'm saying is that PJ is right now about where they have been for over 15 years, and there's been no massive uptick in sales, or uptick in concert attendance, or drastic upswing in critical acclaim, or really anything that proves that the decisions they made have changed their standing. So either they somehow became much more commercial and outgoing to end up in the same place they've always been, or perhaps they've just occupied a firm, solid foundation for nearly two decades.

Lament needs to drop some facts on us. It's the only way we can move on.

The official Pearl Jam fan club is called "The Ten Club." There are multiple "levels" of membership one can join within said club.

BurtReynolds wrote:

Lament wrote:The official Pearl Jam fan club is called "The Ten Club." There are multiple "levels" of membership one can join within said club.

I find your lack of irrational, emotion based ranting very disturbing.

Lament wrote:

digster wrote:

Lament wrote:I just want the songs to stop sucking. I don't fucking care what they sound like.

I think in general there's always far too much conversation about people's neuroses or their biases or whatever in these conversations. I think for most people here that are critical, it is as simple as you put it.

Yeah. I mean, I get that there's some oversimplification here, but a lot of people act like the reason some of us don't like the new material is based on some sort of principle of what these songs "are" or "aren't." If it seems that way, it's because people are trying to figure out why the material they're coming up with isn't striking them as good anymore, not because coming up with the material in that manner is necessary to an enjoyable finished product.

All that being said, most of us don't need the songs to be in a specific style. They had great rockers, introspective slow-burners, thinly-veiled pop gems, off-kilter "experiments," lengthy mood pieces, and quirky barn-burners at the height of their powers. As long as what they're doing is good, (most) people here will respond accordingly.

McParadigm wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:just fart into a microphone for an hour straight or whatever.

Is microphone fart edging near the hour mark, this tour? I hope there's more audience participation to keep it fresh.

Birds in Hell wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:just fart into a microphone for an hour straight or whatever.

Is microphone fart edging near the hour mark, this tour? I hope there's more audience participation to keep it fresh.

malice wrote:pearl jam's finest work comes from their humanity to me - the pure expression of that humanity. dig?