Red Mosquito

162 games in a season, Mickey. Says so in the Bible.

Not this year!

Sounds like 12 teams is the deal. Sorry, Seattle.

If Seattle is out then I 100% support this.

Simple Torture wrote:I have a good feeling about tonight.

lol nevermind

substitute "tigers" or "cubs" for "phillies" and this is 100% me to a tee

How do you see this as the owners' fault? I also no longer watch sports unless my home team is playing, and only occasionally make time for regular season games, but I primarily attribute this to no longer being 12.

Are they just going to cancel individual series in a piece meal fashion now?

Monkey_Driven wrote:Are they just going to cancel individual series in a piece meal fashion now?

More or less. This is just the AL East, looks like they started with 2 series for everyone (wouldn't be surprised if they structured it this way anticipating lost games):

Mickey wrote:How do you see this as the owners' fault?

they locked out the players. want to depress salaries. want a reduced luxury tax without a floor or minimum spend. cry poor while revenues have increased. want to expand playoffs for a pure money grab without any meaningful financial incentives for the players. are locked into an antiquated arbitration mechanism with onerous eligibility requirements. and refuse to address service-time manipulation or tanking. among other things. but that's not really what you were asking.

as far as my viewership, they run the game like it's 1970 and fail to understand that their viewing demographic is shrinking.

At this point I don't care. I knew we'd reach this point and there wouldn't be a deal. Back in November sports talk radio around here was like "Oh they'll get a deal done, nothing's going to be cancelled" and I laughed at that.

I don't plan to watch any baseball if they happen to get it going later on.

Chris_H_2 wrote:

Mickey wrote:How do you see this as the owners' fault?

they locked out the players. want to depress salaries. want a reduced luxury tax without a floor or minimum spend. cry poor while revenues have increased. want to expand playoffs for a pure money grab without any meaningful financial incentives for the players. are locked into an antiquated arbitration mechanism with onerous eligibility requirements. and refuse to address service-time manipulation or tanking. among other things. but that's not really what you were asking.

as far as my viewership, they run the game like it's 1970 and fail to understand that their viewing demographic is shrinking.

Yeah it's more the viewership question I'm interested in--I definitely agree with everything you've laid out here (fuck the owners!), but I'm curious if/how those labor and financial considerations play into your sense of whether or not to watch Sunday Night Baseball.

go broncos

Mickey wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

Mickey wrote:How do you see this as the owners' fault?

they locked out the players. want to depress salaries. want a reduced luxury tax without a floor or minimum spend. cry poor while revenues have increased. want to expand playoffs for a pure money grab without any meaningful financial incentives for the players. are locked into an antiquated arbitration mechanism with onerous eligibility requirements. and refuse to address service-time manipulation or tanking. among other things. but that's not really what you were asking.

as far as my viewership, they run the game like it's 1970 and fail to understand that their viewing demographic is shrinking.

Yeah it's more the viewership question I'm interested in--I definitely agree with everything you've laid out here (fuck the owners!), but I'm curious if/how those labor and financial considerations play into your sense of whether or not to watch Sunday Night Baseball.

i know it's not an apples to apples comparison with other teams and other fans, but the ownership for the Cubs has managed to piss away all of the goodwill it built up after 2016 in about three years. from not investing in the on-field product to turning wrigley field and the surrounding neighborhood into a glorified carnival with every last nook and cranny monetized, it's really a sad situation. it's hard to listen to tom ricketts complain about revenue while charging the second highest amount for tickets in the game (the average price for a family of four to go to a game and not sit in the upper deck corner is nearly $400).

Simple Torture wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:I have a good feeling about tonight.

lol nevermind

you got manfred

Chris_H_2 wrote:

Mickey wrote:How do you see this as the owners' fault?

they locked out the players. want to depress salaries. want a reduced luxury tax without a floor or minimum spend. cry poor while revenues have increased. want to expand playoffs for a pure money grab without any meaningful financial incentives for the players. are locked into an antiquated arbitration mechanism with onerous eligibility requirements. and refuse to address service-time manipulation or tanking. among other things. but that's not really what you were asking.

as far as my viewership, they run the game like it's 1970 and fail to understand that their viewing demographic is shrinking.

chris gets it

Manfred today blamed the calendar, there's just not enough time now. Well you locked out the players with the expressed intention of jumpstarting negotiations and then went away for 43 days. 43 fucking more days they could have had to hash this out.

Norris wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

Mickey wrote:How do you see this as the owners' fault?

they locked out the players. want to depress salaries. want a reduced luxury tax without a floor or minimum spend. cry poor while revenues have increased. want to expand playoffs for a pure money grab without any meaningful financial incentives for the players. are locked into an antiquated arbitration mechanism with onerous eligibility requirements. and refuse to address service-time manipulation or tanking. among other things. but that's not really what you were asking.

as far as my viewership, they run the game like it's 1970 and fail to understand that their viewing demographic is shrinking.

chris gets it

Manfred today blamed the calendar, there's just not enough time now. Well you locked out the players with the expressed intention of jumpstarting negotiations and then went away for 43 days. 43 fucking more days they could have had to hash this out.

My post was in response to the tweet Chris posted, which said that it's the owners' fault he doesn't want to watch baseball in general now as much as he did twenty years ago. Obviously I think the lockout happening today is the owners' fault, I think you'd have to be insane to believe otherwise.

Mickey wrote:

Norris wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

Mickey wrote:How do you see this as the owners' fault?

they locked out the players. want to depress salaries. want a reduced luxury tax without a floor or minimum spend. cry poor while revenues have increased. want to expand playoffs for a pure money grab without any meaningful financial incentives for the players. are locked into an antiquated arbitration mechanism with onerous eligibility requirements. and refuse to address service-time manipulation or tanking. among other things. but that's not really what you were asking.

as far as my viewership, they run the game like it's 1970 and fail to understand that their viewing demographic is shrinking.

chris gets it

Manfred today blamed the calendar, there's just not enough time now. Well you locked out the players with the expressed intention of jumpstarting negotiations and then went away for 43 days. 43 fucking more days they could have had to hash this out.

My post was in response to the tweet Chris posted, which said that it's the owners' fault he doesn't want to watch baseball in general now as much as he did twenty years ago. Obviously I think the lockout happening today is the owners' fault, I think you'd have to be insane to believe otherwise.

cool cool

So I get it too motherfucker!

Mickey wrote:

Norris wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

Mickey wrote:How do you see this as the owners' fault?

they locked out the players. want to depress salaries. want a reduced luxury tax without a floor or minimum spend. cry poor while revenues have increased. want to expand playoffs for a pure money grab without any meaningful financial incentives for the players. are locked into an antiquated arbitration mechanism with onerous eligibility requirements. and refuse to address service-time manipulation or tanking. among other things. but that's not really what you were asking.

as far as my viewership, they run the game like it's 1970 and fail to understand that their viewing demographic is shrinking.

chris gets it

Manfred today blamed the calendar, there's just not enough time now. Well you locked out the players with the expressed intention of jumpstarting negotiations and then went away for 43 days. 43 fucking more days they could have had to hash this out.

My post was in response to the tweet Chris posted, which said that it's the owners' fault he doesn't want to watch baseball in general now as much as he did twenty years ago. Obviously I think the lockout happening today is the owners' fault, I think you'd have to be insane to believe otherwise.

as mickey pointed out on twitter, espn's jesse rogers thinks the players are are asking for too much. i'm sure it's no small coincidence that he's also the cubs' beat reporter.