Cold Confession and Let It Ride - Avocado Outtakes

[harmless]

I would put both of these songs at 4/5. They'd both get a 5 if they had something more, structurally. CC could do with a bridge, it's the same few chords all the way through.

how can you put both of these songs at 4/5 yet go on to say that they both need more structurally and one of them doesn't have a bridge? I'm curious what other songs in the catalog would have at 4/5?

It's not broken nor unfinished because it doesn't have a bridge. I don't think it calls for one really but it wouldn't hurt it to have one. I personally like the droning on the song does.

Exactly this.

[warehouse]

I would put both of these songs at 4/5. They'd both get a 5 if they had something more, structurally. CC could do with a bridge, it's the same few chords all the way through.

how can you put both of these songs at 4/5 yet go on to say that they both need more structurally and one of them doesn't have a bridge? I'm curious what other songs in the catalog would have at 4/5?

It's not broken nor unfinished because it doesn't have a bridge. I don't think it calls for one really but it wouldn't hurt it to have one. I personally like the droning on the song does.

i dunno, i think its perfect the way it is. forcing a bridge in there actually might hurt the song.

[harmless]

The only parts of the vocals i don't like are the low bits at the beginning i.e "floated" " a life" only because once i noticed they were different i cant stop noticing it. Oh and the 'heee heee' bits at the end, i like the 'yeaaa' 'aaahhh' bits and id even take an 'eeee' but a full on 'heeee heee' just reminds me of michael jackson. But im just nitpicking. Still it.

There's quite a lot of hee hee isn't there?

[elliseamos]

There's quite a lot of hee hee isn't there?

[Thejambi]

I would put both of these songs at 4/5. They'd both get a 5 if they had something more, structurally. CC could do with a bridge, it's the same few chords all the way through.

how can you put both of these songs at 4/5 yet go on to say that they both need more structurally and one of them doesn't have a bridge? I'm curious what other songs in the catalog would have at 4/5?

It's not broken nor unfinished because it doesn't have a bridge. I don't think it calls for one really but it wouldn't hurt it to have one. I personally like the droning on the song does.

i dunno, i think its perfect the way it is. forcing a bridge in there actually might hurt the song.

Probably.

[BootsToAsses]

I like Cold Confession and I'm currently lukewarm on Let It Ride. The latter sounds a bit bumbly and awkward, especially Ed's vocal delivery.

I'm digging CC though.

[harmless]

Can someone put new links up to these songs? I'm getting tired of all the PMs asking for it.

[Jorge]

Cold Confession:
Let it Ride:

[Buby]

Can someone put new links up to these songs? I'm getting tired of all the PMs asking for it.

BTW, "Let it ride" sounds excellent.

[southp]

I would put both of these songs at 4/5. They'd both get a 5 if they had something more, structurally. CC could do with a bridge, it's the same few chords all the way through.

how can you put both of these songs at 4/5 yet go on to say that they both need more structurally and one of them doesn't have a bridge? I'm curious what other songs in the catalog would have at 4/5?

Is this really a question? 'How can you...?' can usually be met with 'Because I did.' I'm not comparing it to a range of other songs in the canon, I'm just giving it an enjoyment score. Everything about these songs is so very enjoyable that they have a 4, in spite of being very basic structurally and not having a bridge. For me, a bridge which took the song temporarily somewhere else, would give them that extra point.

I'm just going to reiterate a point about this being early excitement for new rare songs, which can often bias someone's objective impression of the song. If you're giving the songs a rating of 4, I was just curious what other songs would come close or be comparable for you. I just think 4 is a pretty strong rating for songs of this calibre. That's all.

[harmless]

I would put both of these songs at 4/5. They'd both get a 5 if they had something more, structurally. CC could do with a bridge, it's the same few chords all the way through.

how can you put both of these songs at 4/5 yet go on to say that they both need more structurally and one of them doesn't have a bridge? I'm curious what other songs in the catalog would have at 4/5?

Is this really a question? 'How can you...?' can usually be met with 'Because I did.' I'm not comparing it to a range of other songs in the canon, I'm just giving it an enjoyment score. Everything about these songs is so very enjoyable that they have a 4, in spite of being very basic structurally and not having a bridge. For me, a bridge which took the song temporarily somewhere else, would give them that extra point.

I'm just going to reiterate a point about this being early excitement for new rare songs, which can often bias someone's objective impression of the song. If you're giving the songs a rating of 4, I was just curious what other songs would come close or be comparable for you. I just think 4 is a pretty strong rating for songs of this calibre. That's all.

I consider every song / album since and during S/T to be by a different PJ than the one I grew up with. Not a single song since Riot Act would get a 4 in the same way that GTF would've been given a 4 back then because it wasn't everything that it could've been. But that gauge is virtually useless now, because GTF is a masterpiece compared to the new output. So my 4/5 is compared only to everything else off S/T (the best of which only gets a 3.5 from me) and afterwards. However, having said all that, I do believe these two new b-sides stack up with all of the old stuff, and the only reason I can imagine that they didn't go on S/T is that they were brilliant and everything else from S/T was not.

[dadanotprada]

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/150271 ... ever.jhtml

This explains some...

[Strat]

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1502710/pearl-jam-post-therapy-sex-better-than-ever.jhtml

This explains some...

The long recording lull hasn't hurt Pearl Jam, Ament said, because playing with the band is "kind of like riding a bike at this point." In fact, for the first time since the sessions for 1993's Vs., the always-behatted bassist said Pearl Jam have been collaborating on the material, rather than coming into the process with the songs already written.

[southp]

I consider every song / album since and during S/T to be by a different PJ than the one I grew up with. Not a single song since Riot Act would get a 4 in the same way that GTF would've been given a 4 back then because it wasn't everything that it could've been. But that gauge is virtually useless now, because GTF is a masterpiece compared to the new output. So my 4/5 is compared only to everything else off S/T (the best of which only gets a 3.5 from me) and afterwards. However, having said all that, I do believe these two new b-sides stack up with all of the old stuff, and the only reason I can imagine that they didn't go on S/T is that they were brilliant and everything else from S/T was not.

I was with you up until that part. We're obviously not hearing the same things.

[southp]

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1502710/pearl-jam-post-therapy-sex-better-than-ever.jhtml

This explains some...

It would be interesting to see more of these preview comments about LB tracks and compare when we actually get the album.

So far, the band's written a total of 25 songs, but the final track listing will have around a dozen songs — and the decision about which tracks make the final cut largely rests with "Ed, because he's writing 95 percent of the lyrics," Ament said. But the bassist did reveal some potential song names: "Marker," "Crapshoot Rapture," "Worldwide Suicide," "Cold Concession," "2X4" and "Severed Hand."

Ament singled out two other tracks as his current favorites. "One is called 'Of the Earth,' that's a song Ed wrote that is kind of a cross between early Peter Gabriel/ Genesis and Sleater-Kinney with, like, the Who's Live at Leeds or something. There's also a song that Stone brought in that Ed wrote some great lyrics to [a song] called 'Parachutes.' That's probably one of my favorite pieces of music that Stone has written in a long time. It's got a beautiful melody.

[WaitingForBluey]

I'll merge this into the Cold Confession/Let It Ride thread after I get an answer, which I assume I can quickly.

Anyone know what became of these two songs? Was either renamed or are they still in unreleased?

PearlJamOnline lists them in the same session as CC and LIR.

Dicembre 2004 Studio X - Seattle, WA
Ed Vedder - vocals, guitar; Stone Gossard - guitar; Mike McCready - guitar; Jeff Ament - bass; Matt Cameron - drum kit, percussion

2x4
Of The Earth
Cold Confession
World Wide Suicide
Marker
Armor
Crapshoot Rapture
Let It Ride

I have no source but I seem to remember hearing 2x4 turned to Severed Hand?

That would make a lot of sense since the main riff in SH is based on a 2x4 power chord (F#m) if I'm not mistaken???

Armor could have been the previous title for Army Reserve

There you go... problem solved. No more demos to dig up.

[harmless]

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1502710/pearl-jam-post-therapy-sex-better-than-ever.jhtml

This explains some...

It would be interesting to see more of these preview comments about LB tracks and compare when we actually get the album.

So far, the band's written a total of 25 songs, but the final track listing will have around a dozen songs — and the decision about which tracks make the final cut largely rests with "Ed, because he's writing 95 percent of the lyrics," Ament said. But the bassist did reveal some potential song names: "Marker," "Crapshoot Rapture," "Worldwide Suicide," "Cold Concession," "2X4" and "Severed Hand."

Ament singled out two other tracks as his current favorites. "One is called 'Of the Earth,' that's a song Ed wrote that is kind of a cross between early Peter Gabriel/ Genesis and Sleater-Kinney with, like, the Who's Live at Leeds or something. There's also a song that Stone brought in that Ed wrote some great lyrics to [a song] called 'Parachutes.' That's probably one of my favorite pieces of music that Stone has written in a long time. It's got a beautiful melody.

It's very interesting that it says 'around a dozen' here. I'm speculating, but might that be why there are a dozen placeholders online at the moment? They've said it'll be 'about 12' but haven't decided which ones yet? I find that possibility both encouraging and worrying. Encouraging for obvious reasons, but worrying because surely, there must be some great songs just *begging* to go on the album, and if there aren't...

[elliseamos]

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1502710/pearl-jam-post-therapy-sex-better-than-ever.jhtml

This explains some...

It would be interesting to see more of these preview comments about LB tracks and compare when we actually get the album.

So far, the band's written a total of 25 songs, but the final track listing will have around a dozen songs — and the decision about which tracks make the final cut largely rests with "Ed, because he's writing 95 percent of the lyrics," Ament said. But the bassist did reveal some potential song names: "Marker," "Crapshoot Rapture," "Worldwide Suicide," "Cold Concession," "2X4" and "Severed Hand."

Ament singled out two other tracks as his current favorites. "One is called 'Of the Earth,' that's a song Ed wrote that is kind of a cross between early Peter Gabriel/ Genesis and Sleater-Kinney with, like, the Who's Live at Leeds or something. There's also a song that Stone brought in that Ed wrote some great lyrics to [a song] called 'Parachutes.' That's probably one of my favorite pieces of music that Stone has written in a long time. It's got a beautiful melody.

It's very interesting that it says 'around a dozen' here. I'm speculating, but might that be why there are a dozen placeholders online at the moment? They've said it'll be 'about 12' but haven't decided which ones yet? I find that possibility both encouraging and worrying. Encouraging for obvious reasons, but worrying because surely, there must be some great songs just *begging* to go on the album, and if there aren't...

harmless, that interview is from 2005.

[stip]

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1502710/pearl-jam-post-therapy-sex-better-than-ever.jhtml

This explains some...

It would be interesting to see more of these preview comments about LB tracks and compare when we actually get the album.

So far, the band's written a total of 25 songs, but the final track listing will have around a dozen songs — and the decision about which tracks make the final cut largely rests with "Ed, because he's writing 95 percent of the lyrics," Ament said. But the bassist did reveal some potential song names: "Marker," "Crapshoot Rapture," "Worldwide Suicide," "Cold Concession," "2X4" and "Severed Hand."

Ament singled out two other tracks as his current favorites. "One is called 'Of the Earth,' that's a song Ed wrote that is kind of a cross between early Peter Gabriel/ Genesis and Sleater-Kinney with, like, the Who's Live at Leeds or something. There's also a song that Stone brought in that Ed wrote some great lyrics to [a song] called 'Parachutes.' That's probably one of my favorite pieces of music that Stone has written in a long time. It's got a beautiful melody.

It's very interesting that it says 'around a dozen' here. I'm speculating, but might that be why there are a dozen placeholders online at the moment? They've said it'll be 'about 12' but haven't decided which ones yet? I find that possibility both encouraging and worrying. Encouraging for obvious reasons, but worrying because surely, there must be some great songs just *begging* to go on the album, and if there aren't...

i don't understand your second point? were you expecting them to fill in each song title as they decided?

actually that would be a little neat.

[harmless]

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1502710/pearl-jam-post-therapy-sex-better-than-ever.jhtml

This explains some...

It would be interesting to see more of these preview comments about LB tracks and compare when we actually get the album.

So far, the band's written a total of 25 songs, but the final track listing will have around a dozen songs — and the decision about which tracks make the final cut largely rests with "Ed, because he's writing 95 percent of the lyrics," Ament said. But the bassist did reveal some potential song names: "Marker," "Crapshoot Rapture," "Worldwide Suicide," "Cold Concession," "2X4" and "Severed Hand."

Ament singled out two other tracks as his current favorites. "One is called 'Of the Earth,' that's a song Ed wrote that is kind of a cross between early Peter Gabriel/ Genesis and Sleater-Kinney with, like, the Who's Live at Leeds or something. There's also a song that Stone brought in that Ed wrote some great lyrics to [a song] called 'Parachutes.' That's probably one of my favorite pieces of music that Stone has written in a long time. It's got a beautiful melody.

It's very interesting that it says 'around a dozen' here. I'm speculating, but might that be why there are a dozen placeholders online at the moment? They've said it'll be 'about 12' but haven't decided which ones yet? I find that possibility both encouraging and worrying. Encouraging for obvious reasons, but worrying because surely, there must be some great songs just *begging* to go on the album, and if there aren't...

harmless, that interview is from 2005.

Well shit. Never mind then.