Red Mosquito

Coach wrote:Anyone arguing that PJ has gone soft and is producing adult contemporary music is crazy. Have you listened to the lyrics in Getaway? Man, I'm a religious guy, and this songs seems to crap all over religion. I like the song, but struggling with the content. That's not for the masses...

Coach wrote:Anyone arguing that PJ has gone soft and is producing adult contemporary music is crazy. Have you listened to the lyrics in Getaway? Man, I'm a religious guy, and this songs seems to crap all over religion. I like the song, but struggling with the content. That's not for the masses...

Chris_H_2 wrote:God, I absolutely HATE Mind Your Manners, and I wanted to puke when I heard LB and Future Days at Wrigley.

But I must say that I'm pleasantly surprised with these songs.

McParadigm wrote:

stip wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

harmless wrote:

stip wrote:that's possible.

There are certainly some readily identifiable classic rock influences in this. That's the music our parents listened to when they were young, and still listen to when they are old, and so we make that connection.

I think the elephant in the room here, though, is that MOR classic rock bands are what PJ listened to. It makes perfect sense that as they grow older, they will want to sound like their heroes of their youth. And for Mike, one of those hero-bands is KISS. For Ed, it's The Who. For me, all of my life, Pearl Jam will exist amongst my heroes. So if I still had a band (I don't) I would be playing early PJ-influenced stuff till I died, and you can be sure as hell the younger generation would be calling it "Dad Rock" and thinking it sucked because it doesn't sound like AFI. So the fact that anyone is calling THIS "Dad Rock" is entirely generational. In and of itself, it's just music.

I don't know where you're getting that era or time has anything to do with what makes something MOR or mommy rock, but its nothing to with that.

This music is to Vs-Binaural what You Better You Bet is to 65-73 era Who.

do you think these songs reflect a biological aging process that affects most musicians, or that these songs are being self-consciously crafted to bring in a new market of soccer moms, or that the tastes of pearl jam's fans are atrophying and that this is the band responding to that change?

I think most bands/artists experience this. I wrote about it before...their technical abilities peak, and at the same time their artistic drive sunsets or takes a breather.

Some people avoid it...most don't.

BurtReynolds wrote:

Coach wrote:Anyone arguing that PJ has gone soft and is producing adult contemporary music is crazy. Have you listened to the lyrics in Getaway? Man, I'm a religious guy, and this songs seems to crap all over religion. I like the song, but struggling with the content. That's not for the masses...

Its funny you say that, because I had the opposite reaction. He seems unusually rational and "live and let live" here. I've said before that anti-whatever songs sound better when they throw rational discourse to the wind and spew the hate, but this song works great for me.

But they are more AC now musically, IMO, and lyrically an anti-religion song isn't exactly controversial these days.

Rangi Guy wrote:

Coach wrote:Anyone arguing that PJ has gone soft and is producing adult contemporary music is crazy. Have you listened to the lyrics in Getaway? Man, I'm a religious guy, and this songs seems to crap all over religion. I like the song, but struggling with the content. That's not for the masses...

Absolutely love this song! And I see where you're coming from with the lyrical content, but I see it more as an attack on organised religion...well that's what I get after my two listens. As a Christian I find myself having issues with organised religion often, so I'm not terribly phased with the lyrics

guitar_davey wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:God, I absolutely HATE Mind Your Manners, and I wanted to puke when I heard LB and Future Days at Wrigley.

But I must say that I'm pleasantly surprised with these songs.

How can anybody "absolutely HATE" a piece of art? It might not be your favourite song, but man...

stip wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

stip wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

harmless wrote:

stip wrote:that's possible.

There are certainly some readily identifiable classic rock influences in this. That's the music our parents listened to when they were young, and still listen to when they are old, and so we make that connection.

I think the elephant in the room here, though, is that MOR classic rock bands are what PJ listened to. It makes perfect sense that as they grow older, they will want to sound like their heroes of their youth. And for Mike, one of those hero-bands is KISS. For Ed, it's The Who. For me, all of my life, Pearl Jam will exist amongst my heroes. So if I still had a band (I don't) I would be playing early PJ-influenced stuff till I died, and you can be sure as hell the younger generation would be calling it "Dad Rock" and thinking it sucked because it doesn't sound like AFI. So the fact that anyone is calling THIS "Dad Rock" is entirely generational. In and of itself, it's just music.

I don't know where you're getting that era or time has anything to do with what makes something MOR or mommy rock, but its nothing to with that.

This music is to Vs-Binaural what You Better You Bet is to 65-73 era Who.

do you think these songs reflect a biological aging process that affects most musicians, or that these songs are being self-consciously crafted to bring in a new market of soccer moms, or that the tastes of pearl jam's fans are atrophying and that this is the band responding to that change?

I think most bands/artists experience this. I wrote about it before...their technical abilities peak, and at the same time their artistic drive sunsets or takes a breather.

Some people avoid it...most don't.

that's fine, but I still don't see how the dots connect from that to what you're calling AOR rock

stupidmop wrote:

guitar_davey wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:God, I absolutely HATE Mind Your Manners, and I wanted to puke when I heard LB and Future Days at Wrigley.

But I must say that I'm pleasantly surprised with these songs.

How can anybody "absolutely HATE" a piece of art? It might not be your favourite song, but man...

C'Mon son. Don't be that guy.

stip wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Coach wrote:Anyone arguing that PJ has gone soft and is producing adult contemporary music is crazy. Have you listened to the lyrics in Getaway? Man, I'm a religious guy, and this songs seems to crap all over religion. I like the song, but struggling with the content. That's not for the masses...

Its funny you say that, because I had the opposite reaction. He seems unusually rational and "live and let live" here. I've said before that anti-whatever songs sound better when they throw rational discourse to the wind and spew the hate, but this song works great for me.

But they are more AC now musically, IMO, and lyrically an anti-religion song isn't exactly controversial these days.

with that demographic I suspect it still is.

stupidmop wrote:

guitar_davey wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:God, I absolutely HATE Mind Your Manners, and I wanted to puke when I heard LB and Future Days at Wrigley.

But I must say that I'm pleasantly surprised with these songs.

How can anybody "absolutely HATE" a piece of art? It might not be your favourite song, but man...

C'Mon son. Don't be that guy.

guitar_davey wrote:

stupidmop wrote:

guitar_davey wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:God, I absolutely HATE Mind Your Manners, and I wanted to puke when I heard LB and Future Days at Wrigley.

But I must say that I'm pleasantly surprised with these songs.

How can anybody "absolutely HATE" a piece of art? It might not be your favourite song, but man...

C'Mon son. Don't be that guy.

Well brother, I *am* that guy. And drop the condescending "son" bit. It's been overdone and it doesn't look good on you.

lecherouslittlestump wrote:

guitar_davey wrote:

stupidmop wrote:

guitar_davey wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:God, I absolutely HATE Mind Your Manners, and I wanted to puke when I heard LB and Future Days at Wrigley.

But I must say that I'm pleasantly surprised with these songs.

How can anybody "absolutely HATE" a piece of art? It might not be your favourite song, but man...

C'Mon son. Don't be that guy.

Well brother, I *am* that guy. And drop the condescending "son" bit. It's been overdone and it doesn't look good on you.

Don't be an asshole

guitar_davey wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:God, I absolutely HATE Mind Your Manners, and I wanted to puke when I heard LB and Future Days at Wrigley.

But I must say that I'm pleasantly surprised with these songs.

How can anybody "absolutely HATE" a piece of art? It might not be your favourite song, but man...

guitar_davey wrote:

lecherouslittlestump wrote:

guitar_davey wrote:

stupidmop wrote:

guitar_davey wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:God, I absolutely HATE Mind Your Manners, and I wanted to puke when I heard LB and Future Days at Wrigley.

But I must say that I'm pleasantly surprised with these songs.

How can anybody "absolutely HATE" a piece of art? It might not be your favourite song, but man...

C'Mon son. Don't be that guy.

Well brother, I *am* that guy. And drop the condescending "son" bit. It's been overdone and it doesn't look good on you.

Don't be an asshole

Well, I suspect that part is all perspective. Like I said, the "son" bit is a bit of an asshole way to address somebody.

lecherouslittlestump wrote:

guitar_davey wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:God, I absolutely HATE Mind Your Manners, and I wanted to puke when I heard LB and Future Days at Wrigley.

But I must say that I'm pleasantly surprised with these songs.

How can anybody "absolutely HATE" a piece of art? It might not be your favourite song, but man...

This doesn't even make any sense. Do you think 'art' by its very nature can't inspire hate?

I think Cropduster is a load of old bollocks. Hate? I despise the fuckin' thing!