Red Mosquito

wease wrote:

digster wrote:http://time.com/4710456/donald-trump-time-interview-truth-falsehood/

I said I was going to win the election, I won the election, in fact I was number one the entire route, in the primaries, from the day I announced, I was number one. And the New York Times and CNN and all of them, they did these polls, which were extremely bad and they turned out to be totally wrong, and my polls showed I was going to win. We thought we were going to win the night of the election.

It's easy to have that confidence when Russia is rigging the election for you.

Did you now?

wease wrote:Is it wrong to kinda hope this healthcare bill passes so all these Trump supporters can reap what they sow?

I've been hoping that they pass everything they want just for that very reason. I mean you already have the farmers realizing that they backed the wrong horse when they start losing their employees because of immigration issues. Let's keep that shit ball rolling.

I think you guys are sorely mistaken if you think there's going to be much voters' remorse no matter what happens over the next 46 months.

bune wrote:

wease wrote:

digster wrote:http://time.com/4710456/donald-trump-ti ... falsehood/

I said I was going to win the election, I won the election, in fact I was number one the entire route, in the primaries, from the day I announced, I was number one. And the New York Times and CNN and all of them, they did these polls, which were extremely bad and they turned out to be totally wrong, and my polls showed I was going to win. We thought we were going to win the night of the election.

It's easy to have that confidence when Russia is rigging the election for you.

Did you now?

wease wrote:Is it wrong to kinda hope this healthcare bill passes so all these Trump supporters can reap what they sow?

I've been hoping that they pass everything they want just for that very reason. I mean you already have the farmers realizing that they backed the wrong horse when they start losing their employees because of immigration issues. Let's keep that shit ball rolling.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... li=BBnb7Kz

wease wrote:Is it wrong to kinda hope this healthcare bill passes so all these Trump supporters can reap what they sow?

Yes.

tragabigzanda wrote:Trump just canceled the health care vote because he knew he'd lose

Yup. It will lose when they actually vote on it too.

tragabigzanda wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:Trump just canceled the health care vote because he knew he'd lose

Yup. It will lose when they actually vote on it too.

You think? I'm guessing he'll retool it to appeal more to both the hardline and moderate members of the GOP in Congress. People will still suffer. But what an ineffectual doofus and bully he is.

I don't think they will have the public support to pass it unless it has significant changes.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:Trump just canceled the health care vote because he knew he'd lose

Yup. It will lose when they actually vote on it too.

You think? I'm guessing he'll retool it to appeal more to both the hardline and moderate members of the GOP in Congress. People will still suffer. But what an ineffectual doofus and bully he is.

I don't think they will have the public support to pass it unless it has significant changes.

So, who will he blame this on? And what Republican representatives has he told they won't be re-elected because of this?

I'm not a hundred percent sure he wanted it to pass.

Healthcare is complicated! Who knew?!

BurtReynolds wrote:I'm not a hundred percent sure he wanted it to pass.

He quite clearly wanted it to pass, solely for its value as a conversation changer. "See, Donald Trump is the deal maker; he gets things done."

I doubt he has any interest in it as policy.

wease wrote:

bune wrote:

wease wrote:

digster wrote:http://time.com/4710456/donald-trump-ti ... falsehood/

I said I was going to win the election, I won the election, in fact I was number one the entire route, in the primaries, from the day I announced, I was number one. And the New York Times and CNN and all of them, they did these polls, which were extremely bad and they turned out to be totally wrong, and my polls showed I was going to win. We thought we were going to win the night of the election.

It's easy to have that confidence when Russia is rigging the election for you.

Did you now?

wease wrote:Is it wrong to kinda hope this healthcare bill passes so all these Trump supporters can reap what they sow?

I've been hoping that they pass everything they want just for that very reason. I mean you already have the farmers realizing that they backed the wrong horse when they start losing their employees because of immigration issues. Let's keep that shit ball rolling.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... li=BBnb7Kz

Jesus that's sad. And I mean that literally, that dude lost everything for something he truly believed in.

Bi_3 wrote:

wease wrote:Is it wrong to kinda hope this healthcare bill passes so all these Trump supporters can reap what they sow?

Yes.

Nope. You want to cut off your nose to spite your face, cut the whole damn head off. I am not a bleeding-heart liberal so you won't see me feeling sorry for anyone who goes against their own self interests.

I don't think Trump voters are necessarily voting against their self-interest, even if they're (arguably) materially worse off under Trump than they would've been otherwise.

Birds in Hell wrote:I don't think Trump voters are necessarily voting against their self-interest, even if they're (arguably) materially worse off under Trump than they would've been otherwise.

When you loudly claim to be voting for someone for certain reasons and then they go ahead and do the exact opposite (just like liberals knew he would), then yes, they are voting against their own self interests, and yes, it's hard to feel sorry for them, especially since we have been through this charade a dozen times before and they haven't learned their lesson yet.

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:I don't think Trump voters are necessarily voting against their self-interest, even if they're (arguably) materially worse off under Trump than they would've been otherwise.

When you loudly claim to be voting for someone for certain reasons and then they go ahead and do the exact opposite (just like liberals knew he would), then yes, they are voting against their own self interests, and yes, it's hard to feel sorry for them, especially since we have been through this charade a dozen times before and they haven't learned their lesson yet.

I don't think people always reliably articulate what their interests are, which may explain why people continue to vote for either Democrats or Republicans (in this instance) despite those promises being broken.

bune wrote: .

Bi_3 wrote:

wease wrote:Is it wrong to kinda hope this healthcare bill passes so all these Trump supporters can reap what they sow?

Yes.

Nope. You want to cut off your nose to spite your face, cut the whole damn head off. I am not a bleeding-heart liberal so you won't see me feeling sorry for anyone who goes against their own self interests.

Here's the thing brah, it's not just happening to them. There is no magic laser that makes Trump's policies only effect those who voted for him. It's happening to all of us at once. So you might think, fuck 'em, hey voted for this orange buffoon, they deserve it. But this is life saving care for millions and no amount of schadenfreude is worth what will happen to those who lose coverage.

If this thing doesn't pass I'm really curious how hard he's going to go after Paul Ryan and blame him for everything. If it weren't for the fact that Trump needs him (does Trump knows he needs him, though?) for the next 22 months I'd expect him to try and Ether him.