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digster wrote: Identity politics (or at least, the narrow definition of it used by conservatives), is also increasingly no longer the cudgel that they seem to think, something that's only likely to grow as the country's demographics continue to change. It's completely predictable that a party with diverse, multi-ethnic coalition is going to find itself having to navigate issues about its own values on race and ethnicity in the way a mono-racial party will not. Republicans are right that their party will not have to go through these kinds of thing, though identity politics is just as prevalent, if not more so, on their side. It's just that their party is increasingly monoracial, which means all its invective is spewed outward. Which leads, inevitably, to things like today's tweets.

Of course Democrats are going to be having these kinds of arguments, and not Republicans; does anyone believe the diversity is there in the latter party to even make such a discussion sensible?

Rob wrote:

digster wrote: Identity politics (or at least, the narrow definition of it used by conservatives), is also increasingly no longer the cudgel that they seem to think, something that's only likely to grow as the country's demographics continue to change. It's completely predictable that a party with diverse, multi-ethnic coalition is going to find itself having to navigate issues about its own values on race and ethnicity in the way a mono-racial party will not. Republicans are right that their party will not have to go through these kinds of thing, though identity politics is just as prevalent, if not more so, on their side. It's just that their party is increasingly monoracial, which means all its invective is spewed outward. Which leads, inevitably, to things like today's tweets.

Of course Democrats are going to be having these kinds of arguments, and not Republicans; does anyone believe the diversity is there in the latter party to even make such a discussion sensible?

Great post. The idea the identity politics only exists on the left has never made any sense at all.

Bi_3 wrote:

Rob wrote:

digster wrote: Identity politics (or at least, the narrow definition of it used by conservatives), is also increasingly no longer the cudgel that they seem to think, something that's only likely to grow as the country's demographics continue to change. It's completely predictable that a party with diverse, multi-ethnic coalition is going to find itself having to navigate issues about its own values on race and ethnicity in the way a mono-racial party will not. Republicans are right that their party will not have to go through these kinds of thing, though identity politics is just as prevalent, if not more so, on their side. It's just that their party is increasingly monoracial, which means all its invective is spewed outward. Which leads, inevitably, to things like today's tweets.

Of course Democrats are going to be having these kinds of arguments, and not Republicans; does anyone believe the diversity is there in the latter party to even make such a discussion sensible?

Great post. The idea the identity politics only exists on the left has never made any sense at all.

No one is making that point. What I believe we see uniquely on the progressive side today is the open use of identity to bully and silence dissent. "we dont need black faces who aren't black voices"... what else could that mean?

Rob wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

Rob wrote:

digster wrote: Identity politics (or at least, the narrow definition of it used by conservatives), is also increasingly no longer the cudgel that they seem to think, something that's only likely to grow as the country's demographics continue to change. It's completely predictable that a party with diverse, multi-ethnic coalition is going to find itself having to navigate issues about its own values on race and ethnicity in the way a mono-racial party will not. Republicans are right that their party will not have to go through these kinds of thing, though identity politics is just as prevalent, if not more so, on their side. It's just that their party is increasingly monoracial, which means all its invective is spewed outward. Which leads, inevitably, to things like today's tweets.

Of course Democrats are going to be having these kinds of arguments, and not Republicans; does anyone believe the diversity is there in the latter party to even make such a discussion sensible?

Great post. The idea the identity politics only exists on the left has never made any sense at all.

No one is making that point. What I believe we see uniquely on the progressive side today is the open use of identity to bully and silence dissent. "we dont need black faces who aren't black voices"... what else could that mean?

No doubt that there is a faction on the left that does this sort of thing. And I didn't mean to imply that people here were denying that identity politics exists on the right. In general though, it does seem associated more with the left than the right despite the fact that it's a huge deal on the right. You can't watch or listen to most conservative media anymore without hearing what seems to be a persecution complex. Trump himself appeals first & foremost to identity, as the GOP has become a party that literally has a majority with one sub-group - white men. Digster's post resonates with me because he is suggesting that one side struggles with this internally, while the other doesn't have that struggle, but is rather an identity on its own resisting all others. I think that's right. Both versions may irritate people, but at least one side is having the conversation. The
other seems unaware of the fact that they're engaging in identity politics at all, which is strange.

McParadigm wrote:

While you were looking, did you find a single instance of a Republican in office condemning Trump’s racist tweet directly? In the seven hours it’s been up? Anyone demanding that he retract the statement? Or address it in someway? Did you in fact find anyone in the party infrastructure saying anything at all?

23 hours now.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Spoiler: show

I feel like that gif doesn't really need that joker scene at the end.

BurtReynolds wrote:The only proper response to demands for condemnation is "fuck you I won't do what you tell me", btw.

This is context independent.

McParadigm wrote:“The Squad” (can we not) is having a presser in a bit. Can we also not that