Red Mosquito

tree_ wrote:She didn't need more lines. She was a symbol of love, kindness, hope, innocence. We got all that from what's there.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tree_ wrote:For example, he's not saying Bruce Lee was like that, he's saying "isn't this funny/fun?!"... the answer is "yes, it is. very much so." ..

Spoiler: show

The answer is an emphatic "no" btw

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:QT’s never been one for “saying” things though. His films have been focused on referencing the movies he loves since the beginning (Jackie Brown being a notable exception, the only film driven entirely by character and plot).

I see Hollywood as a fairytale set in a bygone era. Everything at the Spahn ranch is the best example, with the murderous hippies having supplanted the former livelihood of the place.

So many great shots, awesome dialogue, sad moments, touching moments. I truly don’t understand what narrative throughline you think would have made this a better movie Joe, care to elaborate?

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:I don't understand why anyone is ascribing some sort of directorial judgment to the Bruce Lee scene. It was a very accurate portrayal of the public persona he put forth, and the narrative device of his clash with Cliff Booth served it's purpose in entertaining fashion.

tragabigzanda wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:QT’s never been one for “saying” things though. His films have been focused on referencing the movies he loves since the beginning (Jackie Brown being a notable exception, the only film driven entirely by character and plot).

I see Hollywood as a fairytale set in a bygone era. Everything at the Spahn ranch is the best example, with the murderous hippies having supplanted the former livelihood of the place.

So many great shots, awesome dialogue, sad moments, touching moments. I truly don’t understand what narrative throughline you think would have made this a better movie Joe, care to elaborate?

I think every section feels divorced from the whole in an uninteresting way. The first thing I would have done to fix the movie would be to make Rick a gay actor who (like Rock Hudson and so many other Old School Hollywood stars) is in the closet but also in a real relationship with his stunt man. That one change fixes 90% of the movie and makes so many of the scenes that come across as pretentious or simple and hollow ring with real stakes and tension. It would also really play into his fetishization of old Hollywood in a profound way.

Hey! While I found their friendship to be engaging enough in itself, I actually think this could have added a great depth to the movie! Thanks for sharing this.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:Now make the new Sleater-Kinney album sound good.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:Well I obviously disagree about the Bruce Lee scene.
This wasn't a Bruce Lee movie, so any further fleshing out of his character would have been something else altogether.
And let's not forget that Cliff was both lucky to even get on the set, and was quickly shitcanned by the stunt coordinator once he put the film's star at risk. It both demonstrated that Cliff could actually fight, and it made me feel sort of bad for the low station in life he'd achieved. I loved this sequence and thought it worked like a charm.