Red Mosquito

lol @ thinking Deep is the worst song on Ten

Well this is RM, so obviously we mean the worst after all the hit singles.

tyweed wrote:

Rob wrote:Stupid Mop & Red Dot are cop outs, I think. Pry, to is suspect. The rest are fair game. Ten & yield are making this hard for me.

I really dig Red Dot, Aye Davanita and Pry, To. Hummus is pretty cool, too. I never skip them, which I can't say for some of their non-interlude, non-hidden track-type songs. So with that, I'll amend my inclusion of Stupid Mop for Vitalogy with Bugs, although I love Bugs. Or is Bugs also off the table?

I thought Stupid Mop might be a cop out, but I hate it so much that I had to choose it. At the end of Immortality I just want to bask in the soft sound of the needle on empty wax, or something soft like at the end of Avocado, but that fucking Mop always cuts in.

Sounds like a pretty effective piece of art.

LikeLukin wrote:

tyweed wrote:

Rob wrote:Stupid Mop & Red Dot are cop outs, I think. Pry, to is suspect. The rest are fair game. Ten & yield are making this hard for me.

I really dig Red Dot, Aye Davanita and Pry, To. Hummus is pretty cool, too. I never skip them, which I can't say for some of their non-interlude, non-hidden track-type songs. So with that, I'll amend my inclusion of Stupid Mop for Vitalogy with Bugs, although I love Bugs. Or is Bugs also off the table?

I thought Stupid Mop might be a cop out, but I hate it so much that I had to choose it. At the end of Immortality I just want to bask in the soft sound of the needle on empty wax, or something soft like at the end of Avocado, but that fucking Mop always cuts in.

Can’t you just fill in the groove of the record with meat glue?

ridleybradout wrote:Guys, I think the point of this is to make it interesting by excluding the cop-out not-really-a-proper-PJ-song tracks like Stupid Mop, Red Dot, I'm Open, Soon Forget etc.

You'll never convince me that there is any such thing as a cop-out not-really-a-proper-PJ-song track.

Rob wrote:Stupid Mop & Red Dot are cop outs

Absolutely not

tragabigzanda wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

ridleybradout wrote:Guys, I think the point of this is to make it interesting by excluding the cop-out not-really-a-proper-PJ-song tracks like Stupid Mop, Red Dot, I'm Open, Soon Forget etc.

You'll never convince me that there is any such thing as a cop-out not-really-a-proper-PJ-song track.

Amongst The Waves and Gone are the only two tracks that feel like cop outs to me, in that they are such obvious and uninspired returns to the well

A lot of people really like amongst the waves, though.

Not me, but they're out there

durdencommatyler wrote:

ridleybradout wrote:Guys, I think the point of this is to make it interesting by excluding the cop-out not-really-a-proper-PJ-song tracks like Stupid Mop, Red Dot, I'm Open, Soon Forget etc.

You'll never convince me that there is any such thing as a cop-out not-really-a-proper-PJ-song track.

i agree with this

What's the argument for "Soon Forget," especially, not being a "proper track"? Is it because it's just Ed?

The other songs I get, because they're kind of weird and non-traditional. I still count them but I understand the reasoning

durdencommatyler wrote:

ridleybradout wrote:Guys, I think the point of this is to make it interesting by excluding the cop-out not-really-a-proper-PJ-song tracks like Stupid Mop, Red Dot, I'm Open, Soon Forget etc.

You'll never convince me that there is any such thing as a cop-out not-really-a-proper-PJ-song track.

I’m on board with this except when it comes to the PJ stat tracker app. None of us will ever get the Vitalogy trophy because of stupid Stupid Mop.

lol why does anyone care about that app?

12 trophies and counting, baby.

pj fans be all about quantity over quality

cutuphalfdead wrote:pj fans be all about quantity over quality

Pj fans are the worst

true

JuanHamm wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

ridleybradout wrote:Guys, I think the point of this is to make it interesting by excluding the cop-out not-really-a-proper-PJ-song tracks like Stupid Mop, Red Dot, I'm Open, Soon Forget etc.

You'll never convince me that there is any such thing as a cop-out not-really-a-proper-PJ-song track.

Amongst The Waves and Gone are the only two tracks that feel like cop outs to me, in that they are such obvious and uninspired returns to the well

A lot of people really like amongst the waves, though.

Not me, but they're out there

Amongst the Waves and Gone are both good songs. I won't argue that they are revolutionary or original or that they aren't a "return to the well." But I don't see what that has to do with anything.

Jorge wrote:What's the argument for "Soon Forget," especially, not being a "proper track"? Is it because it's just Ed?

The other songs I get, because they're kind of weird and non-traditional. I still count them but I understand the reasoning

I don't think "Soon Forget," "Push Me Pull Me," and "I'm Open" belong in this "songs that don't count" category. It's interesting to me, I feel like I never see "Bu$hleaguer" included on that list, even though it's basically the same concept as "PMPM" and "I'm Open" (spoken verses, sung choruses, full band performance). And "Soon Forget" probably has more going on musically (at least chordally) than plenty of "proper" PJ songs -- there are some cool things happening in that song, though the uke sound kind of obscures them. All of these songs are a bit on the non-traditional side for PJ, but so is "Dance of the Clairvoyants."

"Pry To," "Aye Davanita," "Arc," and "Red Dot" feel very deliberately like interlude/segue tracks, not necessarily beholden to the same criteria as typical PJ songs, so I can see why you would omit them from a conversation where you're trying to measure artistic failure or success -- that they fall short of PJ's better songs doesn't really say anything damning about them, but there is also a ceiling on what they can achieve.

I'm on the fence about "Bugs."

Kevin Davis wrote:

Jorge wrote:What's the argument for "Soon Forget," especially, not being a "proper track"? Is it because it's just Ed?

The other songs I get, because they're kind of weird and non-traditional. I still count them but I understand the reasoning

I don't think "Soon Forget," "Push Me Pull Me," and "I'm Open" belong in this "songs that don't count" category. It's interesting to me, I feel like I never see "Bu$hleaguer" included on that list, even though it's basically the same concept as "PMPM" and "I'm Open" (spoken verses, sung choruses, full band performance). And "Soon Forget" probably has more going on musically (at least chordally) than plenty of "proper" PJ songs -- there are some cool things happening in that song, though the uke sound kind of obscures them. All of these songs are a bit on the non-traditional side for PJ, but so is "Dance of the Clairvoyants."

"Pry To," "Aye Davanita," "Arc," and "Red Dot" feel very deliberately like interlude/segue tracks, not necessarily beholden to the same criteria as typical PJ songs, so I can see why you would omit them from a conversation where you're trying to measure artistic failure or success -- that they fall short of PJ's better songs doesn't really say anything damning about them, but there is also a ceiling on what they can achieve.

I'm on the fence about "Bugs."

Bugs definitely belongs with songs like Soon Forget, Push Me Pull Me, and I'm Open.