Bill Cosby's Pudding Pop & Other Sexual Assault Stuff

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[E.H. Ruddock]

I'm reminded of the Louie episode where he takes his daughters to see their great-grandmother, and she uses the N-word repeatedly. His daughters are offended and think she needs to be called out; Louie explains she's very old, confused, and she comes from another time. Consider me on Team Louie on this one.

You mean the show featuring Louis C.K.?

[Bi_3]

You're setting up straw men that don't exist; besides the fact that Weinstein has brought this further into the public eye, who is saying that President H.W. Bush and Weinstein are one in the same. Additionally, I'm not under the impression that the elder Bush was suffering from dementia, and speaking as someone who's had considerable experience with folks suffering from dementia/late stage Alzheimer's, I've never seen a situation where it turns someone into a serial groper. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but your assertion that "this is just what the elderly do" is off-base.

No one's sending HW Bush to jail, so I don't know where that's coming from. I guess I don't really see how you could argue that publicity on this that makes it clear how not okay this is could possibly be a bad thing.

So, I’m gonna get the terminology wrong here, but it’s “proximal” (??) reporting that is tying them together. The HW thing is part of the #metoo trend so most of the articles online covering him include both the description of what he is accused of and what Weinstein is accused of. By having both in the same article, you can imply to the reader they are the same thing. Fox News did this with Obama and Islam quite regularly.

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[E.H. Ruddock]

I'm reminded of the Louie episode where he takes his daughters to see their great-grandmother, and she uses the N-word repeatedly. His daughters are offended and think she needs to be called out; Louie explains she's very old, confused, and she comes from another time. Consider me on Team Louie on this one.

You mean the show featuring Louis C.K.?

I'm not ready to admit that he might be a creep. If the evidence ever becomes damning, I'll stop paying attention to the guy's art. But he's not in the Woody Allen/Roman Polanski league yet; there's still a fair amount of doubt in my mind.

I'm not saying you should, but given the topic you are arguing in this thread, you might have picked a better example.

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[Norah]

Yeah, equating acts that are different degrees of sexual assault is the same as calling the first black President a secret Muslim bent on destroying America.

[Kaius]

Can we change the thread title to "Rapey Creeper sympathizers vs RM"?

[digster]

You're setting up straw men that don't exist; besides the fact that Weinstein has brought this further into the public eye, who is saying that President H.W. Bush and Weinstein are one in the same. Additionally, I'm not under the impression that the elder Bush was suffering from dementia, and speaking as someone who's had considerable experience with folks suffering from dementia/late stage Alzheimer's, I've never seen a situation where it turns someone into a serial groper. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but your assertion that "this is just what the elderly do" is off-base.

No one's sending HW Bush to jail, so I don't know where that's coming from. I guess I don't really see how you could argue that publicity on this that makes it clear how not okay this is could possibly be a bad thing.

So, I’m gonna get the terminology wrong here, but it’s “proximal” (??) reporting that is tying them together. The HW thing is part of the #metoo trend so most of the articles online covering him include both the description of what he is accused of and what Weinstein is accused of. By having both in the same article, you can imply to the reader they are the same thing. Fox News did this with Obama and Islam quite regularly.

I think an article detailing the situation concerning HW Bush, including how and why the accuser came to speak out publicly that did not mention the Weinstein issue would be nonsensical.

[Bi_3]

Yeah, equating acts that are different degrees of sexual assault is the same as calling the first black President a secret Muslim bent on destroying America.

Don't be an ass. We were clearly talking about the effects of that type of information presentation, not the inputs.

[Norah]

Yeah, equating acts that are different degrees of sexual assault is the same as calling the first black President a secret Muslim bent on destroying America.

Don't be an ass. We were clearly talking about the effects of that type of information presentation, not the inputs.

Yet you presented an issue that involves two related things next to a batshit crazy conspiracy theory.

[Bi_3]

You're setting up straw men that don't exist; besides the fact that Weinstein has brought this further into the public eye, who is saying that President H.W. Bush and Weinstein are one in the same. Additionally, I'm not under the impression that the elder Bush was suffering from dementia, and speaking as someone who's had considerable experience with folks suffering from dementia/late stage Alzheimer's, I've never seen a situation where it turns someone into a serial groper. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but your assertion that "this is just what the elderly do" is off-base.

No one's sending HW Bush to jail, so I don't know where that's coming from. I guess I don't really see how you could argue that publicity on this that makes it clear how not okay this is could possibly be a bad thing.

So, I’m gonna get the terminology wrong here, but it’s “proximal” (??) reporting that is tying them together. The HW thing is part of the #metoo trend so most of the articles online covering him include both the description of what he is accused of and what Weinstein is accused of. By having both in the same article, you can imply to the reader they are the same thing. Fox News did this with Obama and Islam quite regularly.

I think an article detailing the situation concerning HW Bush, including how and why the accuser came to speak out publicly that did not mention the Weinstein issue would be nonsensical.

A writer could easily mention the hashtag empowering silenced women to speak up without detailing or even mentioning what Weinstein is accused of.

[digster]

Again, I don't think that would make any sense. The reason the #metoo campaign is in the news is because of the increased attention the Weinstein issue brought to bear on sexual abuse and harassment. You're asking they exclude certain information from a story because of a hypothetical scenario where someone might conflate the two accusations, even if the dual accusations (including the differences) are articulated in the article. That's not really a good reason to ignore pertinent information.

[Self]

You're setting up straw men that don't exist; besides the fact that Weinstein has brought this further into the public eye, who is saying that President H.W. Bush and Weinstein are one in the same. Additionally, I'm not under the impression that the elder Bush was suffering from dementia, and speaking as someone who's had considerable experience with folks suffering from dementia/late stage Alzheimer's, I've never seen a situation where it turns someone into a serial groper. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but your assertion that "this is just what the elderly do" is off-base.

No one's sending HW Bush to jail, so I don't know where that's coming from. I guess I don't really see how you could argue that publicity on this that makes it clear how not okay this is could possibly be a bad thing.

So, I’m gonna get the terminology wrong here, but it’s “proximal” (??) reporting that is tying them together. The HW thing is part of the #metoo trend so most of the articles online covering him include both the description of what he is accused of and what Weinstein is accused of. By having both in the same article, you can imply to the reader they are the same thing. Fox News did this with Obama and Islam quite regularly.

I think an article detailing the situation concerning HW Bush, including how and why the accuser came to speak out publicly that did not mention the Weinstein issue would be nonsensical.

A writer could easily mention the hashtag empowering silenced women to speak up without detailing or even mentioning what Weinstein is accused of.

That hashtag was born out of what Weinstein is accused of, though.

[Self]

I like mine better, digster. I have the best words. Lots of people are saying that.

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Some might call you the king.

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[Simple Torture]

I can only speak for myself, but what's troubling about the HW stories is that it seems pretty clear that people around him knew what was going on. The first woman to speak out talked to one of his security guards about it and was not told, "Oh, I'm sorry, he's losing it a bit...why don't we talk to [insert name of someone who represents HW] and we'll clear this up? We're sorry this happened, we want to make it right." She was told that she shouldn't have stood next to him. That's pretty messed up.

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