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Re: Star Wars: Kenobi (2019)
Posted: Thu March 30, 2017 8:19 pm
by dimejinky99
Monkey_Driven wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:Monkey_Driven wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:I'm happiest about the different writers.
Some of the altenate rogue one stories and endings they released the last week or so were straight up Fucking ridiculous. There are ordinary Star Wars fans that could have written better ideas. These guys were getting paid for it and their ideas were worse than turgid fan fic.
Plus not delighted about Edwards. He's not a character director. Not one fully developed character in rogue one. Too big a cast and hard to connect to any of them.
I'm doubtful they'd go with Edwards again. They got a second director in to try make a film out of the stuff he shot. Hello reshoots.
Give it to a proper character director. Someone with the chops. He's s great visual director. That only gets you so far. And I want an Obi Wan film with more substance than oh look more big visual shots.
Nah, I connected with just as many characters in Rogue One than in Force Awakens.
Good for you. For all the ponderous time they spent with Jyn even including flashbacks seeing her and her tragic losses etc they failed totally to make you feel anything for her. Or her sacrificing herself at the end. The sacrifice was empty because the character wasn't relatable and she didn't make you empathise with her or her story or her motivations at all. at all. It was just meh.
And talk about quickest turn around ever. From being kidnapped by the rebellion to working for them to be their 'insert inspirational speech person here' character in about ten minutes?
Don't tell me you thought that was good development. It was awful storytelling that was obviously the best of the worst sort of patchwork victim of editing choices available, possible
I wasn't taking about Jyn. Her storyline felt no more rushed or mishandled than Poe or Finn in FA though.
Neither of whom are the central character.
Re: Star Wars: Kenobi (2019)
Posted: Thu March 30, 2017 8:20 pm
by Monkey_Driven
dimejinky99 wrote:Monkey_Driven wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:Monkey_Driven wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:I'm happiest about the different writers.
Some of the altenate rogue one stories and endings they released the last week or so were straight up Fucking ridiculous. There are ordinary Star Wars fans that could have written better ideas. These guys were getting paid for it and their ideas were worse than turgid fan fic.
Plus not delighted about Edwards. He's not a character director. Not one fully developed character in rogue one. Too big a cast and hard to connect to any of them.
I'm doubtful they'd go with Edwards again. They got a second director in to try make a film out of the stuff he shot. Hello reshoots.
Give it to a proper character director. Someone with the chops. He's s great visual director. That only gets you so far. And I want an Obi Wan film with more substance than oh look more big visual shots.
Nah, I connected with just as many characters in Rogue One than in Force Awakens.
Good for you. For all the ponderous time they spent with Jyn even including flashbacks seeing her and her tragic losses etc they failed totally to make you feel anything for her. Or her sacrificing herself at the end. The sacrifice was empty because the character wasn't relatable and she didn't make you empathise with her or her story or her motivations at all. at all. It was just meh.
And talk about quickest turn around ever. From being kidnapped by the rebellion to working for them to be their 'insert inspirational speech person here' character in about ten minutes?
Don't tell me you thought that was good development. It was awful storytelling that was obviously the best of the worst sort of patchwork victim of editing choices available, possible
I wasn't taking about Jyn. Her storyline felt no more rushed or mishandled than Poe or Finn in FA though.
Neither of whom are the central character.
Nope, but you said NO characters were developed in Rogue One. I was simply disagreeing with you.
Re: Star Wars: Kenobi (2019)
Posted: Thu March 30, 2017 8:22 pm
by dimejinky99
E.H. Ruddock wrote:I think going in I wasn't going to get to a deep emotional level with most of them because I already knew their outcome. However, I ended up feeling for Bodhi and Galen especially, and he was hardly in it. So I think there was some character development there.
It's interesting that thought. It seems that's the overall consenus. Nobody really got into the characters cos they knew they were all gonna die.
So was it designed with that in mind so they could have a story bypass and just not bother developing them?
Either way a kenobi film has to be the complete opposite of that. If it was almost like castaway and just was a total character story even, I'd be happy.
Re: Star Wars: Kenobi (2019)
Posted: Thu March 30, 2017 8:23 pm
by Monkey_Driven
dimejinky99 wrote:E.H. Ruddock wrote:I think going in I wasn't going to get to a deep emotional level with most of them because I already knew their outcome. However, I ended up feeling for Bodhi and Galen especially, and he was hardly in it. So I think there was some character development there.
It's interesting that thought. It seems that's the overall consenus. Nobody really got into the characters cos they knew they were all gonna die.
So was it designed with that in mind so they could have a story bypass and just not bother developing them?
Either way a kenobi film has to be the complete opposite of that. If it was almost like castaway and just was a total character story even, I'd be happy.
Absolutely. I want it to be about the isolation and regret/shame/resentment he has for what went down in the prequels.
Re: Star Wars: Kenobi (2019)
Posted: Thu March 30, 2017 8:24 pm
by dimejinky99
Monkey_Driven wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:Monkey_Driven wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:Monkey_Driven wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:I'm happiest about the different writers.
Some of the altenate rogue one stories and endings they released the last week or so were straight up Fucking ridiculous. There are ordinary Star Wars fans that could have written better ideas. These guys were getting paid for it and their ideas were worse than turgid fan fic.
Plus not delighted about Edwards. He's not a character director. Not one fully developed character in rogue one. Too big a cast and hard to connect to any of them.
I'm doubtful they'd go with Edwards again. They got a second director in to try make a film out of the stuff he shot. Hello reshoots.
Give it to a proper character director. Someone with the chops. He's s great visual director. That only gets you so far. And I want an Obi Wan film with more substance than oh look more big visual shots.
Nah, I connected with just as many characters in Rogue One than in Force Awakens.
Good for you. For all the ponderous time they spent with Jyn even including flashbacks seeing her and her tragic losses etc they failed totally to make you feel anything for her. Or her sacrificing herself at the end. The sacrifice was empty because the character wasn't relatable and she didn't make you empathise with her or her story or her motivations at all. at all. It was just meh.
And talk about quickest turn around ever. From being kidnapped by the rebellion to working for them to be their 'insert inspirational speech person here' character in about ten minutes?
Don't tell me you thought that was good development. It was awful storytelling that was obviously the best of the worst sort of patchwork victim of editing choices available, possible
I wasn't taking about Jyn. Her storyline felt no more rushed or mishandled than Poe or Finn in FA though.
Neither of whom are the central character.
Nope, but you said NO characters were developed in Rogue One. I was simply disagreeing with you.
I can take lack of development if there's a clearly intriguing character to begin with. Kylo and Rey both had that. The mystery around them knocking off the need for development cos we know we're getting that.
If the only character you feel for in a film a film, is the droid. Meaning K2. A cos he's funny and B cos he dies, then your film has problems.
Re: Star Wars: Kenobi (2019)
Posted: Thu March 30, 2017 8:25 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Also, with the Kenobi film, you have McGregor doing his already established character. So most people are probably going to connect with the character on some level just because of that.
Re: Star Wars: Kenobi (2019)
Posted: Thu March 30, 2017 8:25 pm
by dimejinky99
Monkey_Driven wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:E.H. Ruddock wrote:I think going in I wasn't going to get to a deep emotional level with most of them because I already knew their outcome. However, I ended up feeling for Bodhi and Galen especially, and he was hardly in it. So I think there was some character development there.
It's interesting that thought. It seems that's the overall consenus. Nobody really got into the characters cos they knew they were all gonna die.
So was it designed with that in mind so they could have a story bypass and just not bother developing them?
Either way a kenobi film has to be the complete opposite of that. If it was almost like castaway and just was a total character story even, I'd be happy.
Absolutely. I want it to be about the isolation and regret/shame/resentment he has for what went down in the prequels.
Same page exactly. Only thinking about this earlier. How much guilt and failure is he feeling after Anakin and how much he's hot wiring that and transferring it to his hope for Luke.
Re: Star Wars: Kenobi (2019)
Posted: Thu March 30, 2017 8:29 pm
by dimejinky99
These standalones were always gonna be different beasts. So R1 is a suicide mission war movie, Han a buddy cop/origin story western, and Obi Wan, what, a meditative character study? Hhmmm
I'm so excited. They have to announce this at celebration
Re: Star Wars: Kenobi (2019)
Posted: Thu March 30, 2017 8:31 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
I also find it interesting that the Prequels are generally the most disliked of all the SW movies, yet some of the best stuff has been born because of them (Clone Wars, Rebels, Kenobi movie).
Re: Star Wars: Kenobi (2019)
Posted: Thu March 30, 2017 8:39 pm
by epilogue
E.H. Ruddock wrote:I think going in I wasn't going to get to a deep emotional level with most of them because I already knew their outcome. However, I ended up feeling for Bodhi and Galen especially, and he was hardly in it. So I think there was some character development there.
Re: Star Wars: Kenobi (2019)
Posted: Thu March 30, 2017 8:41 pm
by epilogue
I literally would be happy with only Ep 8, Ep 9 and a single Kenobi film and then no more Star Wars movies ever. THAT'S how excited I am for a Kenobi movie. I want this so badly.
Re: Star Wars: Kenobi (2019)
Posted: Thu March 30, 2017 8:41 pm
by Jorge
dimejinky99 wrote: It was awful storytelling that was obviously the best of the worst sort of patchwork victim of editing choices available, possible
I am fascinated by this sentence
Re: Star Wars: Kenobi (2019)
Posted: Thu March 30, 2017 8:42 pm
by epilogue
theplatypus wrote:dimejinky99 wrote: It was awful storytelling that was obviously the best of the worst sort of patchwork victim of editing choices available, possible
I am fascinated by this sentence
For so many reasons.
Re: Star Wars: Kenobi (2019)
Posted: Thu March 30, 2017 8:45 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
durdencommatyler wrote:theplatypus wrote:dimejinky99 wrote: It was awful storytelling that was obviously the best of the worst sort of patchwork victim of editing choices available, possible
I am fascinated by this sentence
For so many reasons.
Ridley Boyega are Gone and No Kenobi Film So
Re: Star Wars: Kenobi (2019)
Posted: Thu March 30, 2017 8:51 pm
by epilogue
E.H. Ruddock wrote:durdencommatyler wrote:theplatypus wrote:dimejinky99 wrote: It was awful storytelling that was obviously the best of the worst sort of patchwork victim of editing choices available, possible
I am fascinated by this sentence
For so many reasons.
Ridley Boyega are Gone and No Kenobi Film So
Re: Star Wars: Kenobi (2019)
Posted: Thu March 30, 2017 9:28 pm
by dimejinky99
It was two paragraphs fused into one overlong sentence. And it's great.
Re: Star Wars: Kenobi (2019)
Posted: Thu March 30, 2017 10:59 pm
by epilogue
Not as great as that gif, though!
Re: Star Wars: Kenobi (2019)
Posted: Fri March 31, 2017 12:35 am
by stip
Edwards would not be my first choice to direct this, but he did good work with Rogue One, so I wouldn't complain
Re: Star Wars: Kenobi (2019)
Posted: Fri March 31, 2017 12:42 am
by epilogue
stip wrote:Edwards would not be my first choice to direct this, but he did good work with Rogue One, so I wouldn't complain
If I could pick anyone... I'd hire Cary Fukunaga.
Re: Star Wars: Kenobi (2019)
Posted: Fri March 31, 2017 10:33 am
by dimejinky99
I wonder. Would they get an established director for this or an up n comer like they did with Johnson and Edwards?