Red Mosquito

96583UP wrote:superman can outrun the flash

That's not what happened when Mr Mxyzptlk made them race.

McParadigm wrote:

96583UP wrote:superman can outrun the flash

That's not what happened when Mr Mxyzptlk made them race.

first the Dave A thing, now this

Superman outrunning The Flash? How absurd!

Guys, Dave A's right foot is Flash-like.

Tuolumne wrote:That's right fuckers. Especially when it comes to hip hop - which truly carries on the rebellious legacy of social uprising of RnR moreso than the Journeys of the world (who are rock and roll only in name and more pop than anything else, so they deserved the long wait, as does Bon Jovi and many others whining about their cold shoulder).

I think rock n' roll, in terms of the music itself, has nothing to do with rebellious social uprising or whatever.

stip wrote:Looking at the list of artists in the RnR hall of fame there aren't a lot of artists that really don't deserve to be in it.

Geez, where do I start?

James Brown, Johnny Cash, Stevie Wonder, Bob Dylan, Simon & Garfunkel, Elton John, Joni Mitchell, Bruce Springsteen, etc.

Great artists, but they didn't, or don't, make rock music.

I'd throw out 80% of the inductees without hesitation.

And how do you have a thing like this without the Stooges? Fuckin' crazy.

Of course Spenno is a goddamn rock and roll literalist

Bruce Springsteen doesn't deserve to be in it?


Finished his book last week and he talks about the trouble it caused for him and e street as he was nominated and inducted without e street. The band weren't at all happy being ignored and sent Steve to talk to him about it and ask him to petition the powers that be to include them. He talks about thinking about it but never says if he did or not.

Led Zeppelin hasn't been inducted yet?!? Crazy. Rolling Stone editors must be on the board of the Hall of Fame.

Birds in Hell wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:That's right fuckers. Especially when it comes to hip hop - which truly carries on the rebellious legacy of social uprising of RnR moreso than the Journeys of the world (who are rock and roll only in name and more pop than anything else, so they deserved the long wait, as does Bon Jovi and many others whining about their cold shoulder).

I think rock n' roll, in terms of the music itself, has nothing to do with rebellious social uprising or whatever.

stip wrote:Looking at the list of artists in the RnR hall of fame there aren't a lot of artists that really don't deserve to be in it.

Geez, where do I start?

James Brown, Johnny Cash, Stevie Wonder, Bob Dylan, Simon & Garfunkel, Elton John, Joni Mitchell, Bruce Springsteen, etc.

Great artists, but they didn't, or don't, make rock music.

I'd throw out 80% of the inductees without hesitation.

And how do you have a thing like this without the Stooges? Fuckin' crazy.

I don't even know where to start with this. The very FIRST class that was inducted included: Little Richard, Fats Domino, James Brown, Ray Charles, and Sam Cooke. All black dudes who did not play guitar. Chuck Berry was one of the other ones and he did play guitar. That was the FIRST fucking HOF class.

"Rock" is a sub-genre of Rock n Roll. Rock n Roll was a cultural movement that started in the 50s that stemmed from American racial segregation. It was the music that crossed racial barriers, hence you had Elvis playing 'black' music and shocking the public, or the Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin playing the American southern blues of Muddy Waters and Robert Johnson.

At some point, white dudes playing guitar (which is obviously one of my favorite sub-genres of Rock n Roll) became the term "rock" and somehow this all got confused with Rock n Roll. What people forgot was the "n Roll" part which is demonstrated in modern soul and R&B. Cultural uprising was the entire reason Rock n Roll became something we still talk about. It's not just a genre of music. This confusion is why you have douches like Eddie Trunk whining about any group that doesn't play guitar as something that should not belong in the HOF. Really if I'm being honest, just a shit ton of white privelage. The creators and keepers of Rock n Roll are in that first class that was inducted. The HOF creators knew what they were doing cause they were around for the start of it in the 50s, and they wanted to preserve it in the institution.

I'm not trying to be a pretentious condescending ass here, this is all on historical record, it's in libraries and many many well done documentaries. Hell, just go to Cleveland and spend half a day. Paul McCartney, Mick Jagger, and Bob Dylan would be the first ones to tell you all of this. So, if anyone gets mad at me for saying this, blame them. I can't wait to see Tupac get inducted, I'd be embarrassed for our favorite band if they didn't go in with atleast one other act that really carried the spirit of Rock n Roll.

rick malone wrote:Led Zeppelin hasn't been inducted yet?!? Crazy. Rolling Stone editors must be on the board of the Hall of Fame.

they were inducted in 95, the same year Ed inducted Neil Young

MattA75 wrote:

rick malone wrote:Led Zeppelin hasn't been inducted yet?!? Crazy. Rolling Stone editors must be on the board of the Hall of Fame.

they were inducted in 95, the same year Ed inducted Neil Young

Yeah but with Neil Young? Zeppelin surely deserves their own ceremony separate from other artists.

rick malone wrote:

MattA75 wrote:

rick malone wrote:Led Zeppelin hasn't been inducted yet?!? Crazy. Rolling Stone editors must be on the board of the Hall of Fame.

they were inducted in 95, the same year Ed inducted Neil Young

Yeah but with Neil Young? Zeppelin surely deserves their own ceremony separate from other artists.

What? That is ridiculous. Then you are saying they are the greatest of all time, which is obviously not the case.

Birds in Hell wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:That's right fuckers. Especially when it comes to hip hop - which truly carries on the rebellious legacy of social uprising of RnR moreso than the Journeys of the world (who are rock and roll only in name and more pop than anything else, so they deserved the long wait, as does Bon Jovi and many others whining about their cold shoulder).

I think rock n' roll, in terms of the music itself, has nothing to do with rebellious social uprising or whatever.

stip wrote:Looking at the list of artists in the RnR hall of fame there aren't a lot of artists that really don't deserve to be in it.

Geez, where do I start?

James Brown, Johnny Cash, Stevie Wonder, Bob Dylan, Simon & Garfunkel, Elton John, Joni Mitchell, Bruce Springsteen, etc.

Great artists, but they didn't, or don't, make rock music.

I'd throw out 80% of the inductees without hesitation.

And how do you have a thing like this without the Stooges? Fuckin' crazy.

Bob Dylan, Elton John, and Bruce Springsteen all very much make rock music. Other stuff too, perhaps, but I don't know how one classifies "Like a Rolling Stone" and "Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting" and "Born to Run"
if not as rock and roll.

Iirc Spenno classifies Born to Run as a show tune

Should The Ramones really be in? Johnny Ramone admitted punk rock is right wing.

I'll ponder this as I listen to a 32 minute solo by John Bonham.

Birds in Hell wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:That's right fuckers. Especially when it comes to hip hop - which truly carries on the rebellious legacy of social uprising of RnR moreso than the Journeys of the world (who are rock and roll only in name and more pop than anything else, so they deserved the long wait, as does Bon Jovi and many others whining about their cold shoulder).

I think rock n' roll, in terms of the music itself, has nothing to do with rebellious social uprising or whatever.

stip wrote:Looking at the list of artists in the RnR hall of fame there aren't a lot of artists that really don't deserve to be in it.

Geez, where do I start?

James Brown, Johnny Cash, Stevie Wonder, Bob Dylan, Simon & Garfunkel, Elton John, Joni Mitchell, Bruce Springsteen, etc.

Great artists, but they didn't, or don't, make rock music.

I'd throw out 80% of the inductees without hesitation.

And how do you have a thing like this without the Stooges? Fuckin' crazy.

Okay, well bracket how broad or narrow one's definition of Rock music is (leaving Bruce Springsteen off that list is self-evidently crazy to me, but not to you), you acknowledge that they're all great artists. So if you think of the RnR hall of fame as an institution that honors historically important and influential artists and inducts worthy people what's the problem?

stip wrote:Iirc Spenno classifies Born to Run as a show tune

So Bruce shouldnt be in there but dammit man Dave A totally should be!!


Is what he's saying?

"Rock n Roll" DOES NOT EQUAL only "Rock".

"Rock" is the sub-genre, the one you usually think of when you think of The Who, Stones, Led Zep, The Ramones, etc. Guitar/Drums/Bass oriented music, w/ the focus on the guitar.

There's also the "n Roll" part, which is where Soul/R&B/Hip Hop/Disco/Dance Pop come in.

And shit, it's not just specific genres so if an electronic artist does something that upends the establishment, I'd count that as Rock n Roll too.

Ever see Kendrick Lamar perform in front of a live band? It's a dude performing syncopated rhymes over a drum beat and a guitar playing, I don't see how that's much different than Bob Dylan's style of music except the color of his skin. It's all Rock n Roll. It all originates from either Blues or Folk.

Going out on a limb here and saying that Spenno might be trolling a bit. He seems like an intelligent guy, so I'd venture that he wouldn't use The Stooges as an example without first Googling whether or not they actually are in the HOF (they are).

Sorry/not sorry, if I spoiled the joke.