Red Mosquito

I rarely listen to the bootlegs. Even the best bootlegs usually pale in comparison to an average show. for me the experience is so closely tied to being there that the bootlegs will always be lacking.

A great performance here and there is different, and there are songs I think sound better live than on the studio, but that's not the same thing as sitting down and listening to a performance from start to finish.

stip wrote:I rarely listen to the bootlegs. Even the best bootlegs usually pale in comparison to an average show. for me the experience is so closely tied to being there that the bootlegs will always be lacking.

A great performance here and there is different, and there are songs I think sound better live than on the studio, but that's not the same thing as sitting down and listening to a performance from start to finish.

I generally agree with you. I much prefer the idea of listening to "albums" (something sequenced in an order for a specific reason) than 25-30 mostly randomly placed songs played live. There may be a few exceptions to this general rule (like when the band plays a specifically memorable set or has a notably well performed show), but generally I like the listening experience of studio material over live audio. Being in attendance at a concert is an entirely different experience and should be placed in a different category.

Stipwasnt sitting down at the brooklyn show i attended with him..prof was rockin out..and making dismissive grading faces when Pj played a song he didnt like

I've only seen Pearl Jam three times, twice in 2009 and once in 2013. I'm pretty sure I can say I've had experiences listening to bootlegs that are more significant to me than any of these three shows.

take your hands out of your pants and dont watch Commando while youre listening to em

then come back and talk to me

shit..wrong guy


sorry fella

dimejinky99 wrote:Stipwasnt sitting down at the brooklyn show i attended with him..prof was rockin out..and making dismissive grading faces when Pj played a song he didnt like

Actually seeing them live is the top of the list. Light years from boots

So, Paul Westerberg just released a new album but it sounds like he basically got together with Juliana Hatfield to kind of finish off songs he's already written over the years. Kind of clean the basement out a bit. Im not sure how many songs were actually "new" or recently written, nor how finished the "older" demo's actually were.

But, it got me thinking. If PJ did something like this and they put out a great album, would that sit right with us? Or would it be "well, they are older songs so rip pj".

Strat wrote:But, it got me thinking. If PJ did something like this and they put out a great album, would that sit right with us? Or would it be "well, they are older songs so rip pj".

I can guarantee the reaction around here would be the latter.

But if the songs were great, I'd say the ends justify the means.

I'd be happy with a batch of some great new songs but it wouldn't make me feel any more hopeful for future albums

Even if the songs were good they would be modern recordings of them so Ed's over annunciation of every fucking syllable would ruin it.

I think if there are a handful of "old" songs on there, it's all good. If they have had some songs in the wings for a couple of albums that they just couldn't figure out and suddenly they clicked, then by all means

edit: plus what chud just said

evenslow wrote:

Strat wrote:But, it got me thinking. If PJ did something like this and they put out a great album, would that sit right with us? Or would it be "well, they are older songs so rip pj".

I can guarantee the reaction around here would be the latter.

I don't know, there's a pretty wide range of viewpoints here.

If it was a great album, I'd be thrilled.

Birds in Hell wrote:

evenslow wrote:

Strat wrote:But, it got me thinking. If PJ did something like this and they put out a great album, would that sit right with us? Or would it be "well, they are older songs so rip pj".

I can guarantee the reaction around here would be the latter.

I don't know, there's a pretty wide range of viewpoints here.

If it was a great album, I'd be thrilled.

C'mon spenno, you know that everyone at RM feels exactly the same and we're all just a bunch of contrarians cut from exactly the same cloth.

It would depend on a lot of things. I can imagine today's PJ taking a song like Dead Man and ruining it in the process of "getting it ready" to release. But even if they didn't fuck it up, it would definitely come down to Ed. I'm so uninterested with him as a vocalist right now, he'd have to completely change his approach and get back to something like basics to avoid laying all over everything like a wet blanket.

what if it was an instrumental album?

stip would be furious.

Imagine how sick "Lost Dogs" would have been if it were a compact 14-song album, and not padded with so much nonsense, much like The Rolling Stones' "Tattoo You", which was a time-filler album of old outtakes presented as "new" material that fooled a lot of people. One of those songs was "Start Me Up".

Strat wrote:So, Paul Westerberg just released a new album but it sounds like he basically got together with Juliana Hatfield to kind of finish off songs he's already written over the years. Kind of clean the basement out a bit. Im not sure how many songs were actually "new" or recently written, nor how finished the "older" demo's actually were.

But, it got me thinking. If PJ did something like this and they put out a great album, would that sit right with us? Or would it be "well, they are older songs so rip pj".

This is what van halen did with their last album. It was way better than it should have been as a result.

I'd be totally fine with PJ revisiting some unreleased/unfinished songs and polishing them up and releasing them as new material. As long as the songs are good who gives a shit.