Red Mosquito

Tuolumne wrote:I hope someone in the band writes a book and we learn more about all of this.

Kevin Davis wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:I hope someone in the band writes a book and we learn more about all of this.

Godspeed. Personally I hope no one ever brings this topic up again.

Strat wrote:

96583UP wrote:the 3 years Dave A was in the band still matter more than the 18 that matt c has

the drummer thing does matter

because this the litmus test for this asinine exercise in self congratulation is 'fame' , and pearl jam rose to fame with Dave A behind the kit and not matt c

Shut up

theplatypus wrote:

MadTIGERmaN wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Fuck Dave A. He could have been there last night if he wanted to.

How do you know?

Wasn't it said that the band invited all former drummers to attend the ceremony?

Yup, it was, Chamberlain even said he had previous work commitment or hed have gone.

Whats bugging me most about this all, is, when I think of Pearl Jam, I HAVE NEVER, thought of "oh, that band with the AMAZING DRUMMER" We are not talking about John Bonham, Ginger Baker, Keith Moon, Mitch Mitchell, John Densmore, Neil Pert, Stewart Copeland, or Janet Weiss. Pearl Jam, it has always been a guitar driven band, with a great lead singer. Dave A, and his 3 years, should not be over shadowing what Stone and Jeff have been doing for 35 years together, and for 26 of that with Jeff and Ed, and at this point, IT IS! Ed said it best last night, Dave is a great drummer... and that should be enough.

- Of course Pearl Jam are a "guitar-based" band. All those drummers you mentioned play in guitar-based bands. It's fucking rock music.
- The Dave A. thing is not "overshadowing" anything. You're presenting a false dichotomy. Some people just feel like Pearl Jam's most iconic and influential drummer, who played with them at the peak of their fame, should have been inducted along with them. Especially when fucking Dave Krusen was.
- If you listen to Vs. and the drumming doesn't stand out to you, probably even more than the guitars do, then I don't even know what to tell you.

Birds in Hell wrote:

Strat wrote:He's the only one bitching and causing a scene and being kind of a brat about it.

Seeing as he's the guy who missed out, that makes sense.

I think the entire RRHoF is irredeemably stupid but, if you're going to have it and Pearl Jam are going to be inducted, it seems completely arbitrary to induct Dave Krusen and Matt Cameron and not Dave Abbruzzese and Jack Irons.

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Strat wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:I hope someone in the band writes a book and we learn more about all of this.

Godspeed. Personally I hope no one ever brings this topic up again.

I'll commit to this

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

spike wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

given2trade wrote:And by the way, everything Dave A. has done and said the last 6 months points to him being a royal douchebag. Would you want to be friends with this guy?

I don't know. I would not want to be friends with a guy like Ed either. I don't see what that's got to do with anything.

you're not alone.

They look like Green Day

hlniv wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

spike wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

given2trade wrote:And by the way, everything Dave A. has done and said the last 6 months points to him being a royal douchebag. Would you want to be friends with this guy?

I don't know. I would not want to be friends with a guy like Ed either. I don't see what that's got to do with anything.

you're not alone.

They look like Green Day

All except for that one guy in the blue. Where did that dude come from? Pottery Barn?

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

hlniv wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

spike wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

given2trade wrote:And by the way, everything Dave A. has done and said the last 6 months points to him being a royal douchebag. Would you want to be friends with this guy?

I don't know. I would not want to be friends with a guy like Ed either. I don't see what that's got to do with anything.

you're not alone.

They look like Green Day

All except for that one guy in the blue. Where did that dude come from? Pottery Barn?

I dunno, he still looks pretty pop punk to me

hlniv wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

Strat wrote:He's the only one bitching and causing a scene and being kind of a brat about it.

Seeing as he's the guy who missed out, that makes sense.

I think the entire RRHoF is irredeemably stupid but, if you're going to have it and Pearl Jam are going to be inducted, it seems completely arbitrary to induct Dave Krusen and Matt Cameron and not Dave Abbruzzese and Jack Irons.

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Also accurate. I mean, were they trying to save money on trophy production costs or something?

And last edited at 4:20 pm.

So that's cool. Double bonus on this one!

Tuolumne wrote:With Dave after all these years we really don't have much to go on as to what went down. There's Dave's side of the story which we've heard, but we've heard little from the band aside what was in the PJ20 book and some errant comments. Just that he didn't fit in. My sense is it's fairly typical dynamics that happen to many bands. One band member was going through an especially hard time with something. Whether or not you agree with how he's handling it or not, he's your bandmate, you're on his team. You've gotta make sure he's alright, or there is no band to play for. More importantly than that, he's the star so he holds the cards. Your the drummer that they hired cause they were desperate to get the Ten touring plans going. Somehow the band took off, but you gotta recognize your 1 of 5 people and that they gotta be getting along with you. I dunno, at the end of the day, it's just relationships, I think the fan viewpoint is just one very skewed version of what probably really went down. I hope someone in the band writes a book and we learn more about all of this.

Kaius wrote:"Alive" was fantastic. Krusen killed it.