Red Mosquito

dimejinky99 wrote:** it’s funny we take it on word that kylo is this big powerful bad guy.

Didn’t see his Fucking training montage or even any of his skills. He arrives prepackaged.

But no questions asked. Grand. He’s the baddie.

Which would have been fine if Rey had shown up like that too, and we were given some backstory about her spending years of training - like we did with Kylo. Problem is - we see Rey struggling to survive and having no super powers - then suddenly she does. I get that the director meant for that, but his handling was sloppy

Rangi Guy wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:** it’s funny we take it on word that kylo is this big powerful bad guy.

Didn’t see his Fucking training montage or even any of his skills. He arrives prepackaged.

But no questions asked. Grand. He’s the baddie.

Which would have been fine if Rey had shown up like that too, and we were given some backstory about her spending years of training - like we did with Kylo. Problem is - we see Rey struggling to survive and having no super powers - then suddenly she does. I get that the director meant for that, but his handling was sloppy

Again. The film is called the force awakens. We hear Snoke tell kylo ‘there’s been an awakening’ then later her telling Luke something inside her was always there but now it’s awake.

We don’t question Luke’s abilities in any of the films. So Why hers?
We take things as a given cos that was a different time and we were kids. Now we demand explanation cos we’ve grown up.

Only thing I can take from it.

But jj made the comment ‘that’s not an accident’ so I hope there’s a scene that explains it. Just to stop this most unfair and silly of complaints. But it likely won’t be satisfactory (not you just the clamour)

Rangi Guy wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:** it’s funny we take it on word that kylo is this big powerful bad guy.

Didn’t see his Fucking training montage or even any of his skills. He arrives prepackaged.

But no questions asked. Grand. He’s the baddie.

Which would have been fine if Rey had shown up like that too, and we were given some backstory about her spending years of training - like we did with Kylo. Problem is - we see Rey struggling to survive and having no super powers - then suddenly she does. I get that the director meant for that, but his handling was sloppy

Exactly this.

If we get an explanation, which it seems we are going to, then its fine. Maybe its not poorly handled at all. Thats why i loved that interview.

Ensign9 wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:Im still conflicted with how they handled Han's death. The bridge scene was way too obvious. I did liked Harrison and Adam there, they were good. really good. But the everything else...the light going away, the darkness coming into Adam's face....JJ should have handled it better.

Post-death, Leia embracing the girl she’s known for five minutes instead of Chewie is unforgivable.

She and Chewie had their big hug moment earlier. It's fine.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Ensign9 wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:Im still conflicted with how they handled Han's death. The bridge scene was way too obvious. I did liked Harrison and Adam there, they were good. really good. But the everything else...the light going away, the darkness coming into Adam's face....JJ should have handled it better.

Post-death, Leia embracing the girl she’s known for five minutes instead of Chewie is unforgivable.

She and Chewie had their big hug moment earlier. It's fine.

cmon joe, you dont have to like everything about the new movies. Specially when even JJ said YEAH I FUCKED UP GUYS! BIG TIME.

VinylGuy wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Ensign9 wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:Im still conflicted with how they handled Han's death. The bridge scene was way too obvious. I did liked Harrison and Adam there, they were good. really good. But the everything else...the light going away, the darkness coming into Adam's face....JJ should have handled it better.

Post-death, Leia embracing the girl she’s known for five minutes instead of Chewie is unforgivable.

She and Chewie had their big hug moment earlier. It's fine.

cmon joe, you dont have to like everything about the new movies. Specially when even JJ said YEAH I FUCKED UP GUYS! BIG TIME.

I don't like everything. But "unforgivable" is beyond extreme. It's honestly not something I noticed at all until the internet told me to care about it. It's just not a big deal. It could have been handled differently but it really just doesn't matter. It's a weird thing to take a stand about.

Oh i remember being in the theatre and watching the scene like wtf this is sooo weird.
It was actually cool to hear JJ said, yeah, huge mistake. Sorry.

Also, Chewie doesn't hug her either. Why is this all Leia's fault?

I wasnt talking about Leia but the scene. The scene man. Not the woman but the scene. Just the scene.

Gotten about halfway though the TFA novel. As a book it's just ok, it doesn't quite have the quality of something written by Martin or Sanderson, However, I think the start of the movie is electric on-screen. One thing from the novel I really enjoyed, was how Poe escaped from Jakku. The worst part in the movie and the book is the sequence with the rathtars and the death gangs. I think they could have solved that in a lot better ways. Maybe Leia could have asked Han to look for Poe.

Just on Rey on of the first things we hear her say (to BB8) is ‘me too. Big secret’.
Jj / LFL absolutely has a plan for her. Also driver saying last year or even before that he’s always known the outcome for kylo and has been working towards that.

Easy to forget that stuff when the hurricane of never ending ‘they don’t have a plan’ click bait articles are still whirling around

VinylGuy wrote:I wasnt talking about Leia but the scene. The scene man. Not the woman but the scene. Just the scene.

I was referencing back to Ensign's post.

As far as the scene goes, Rey is who the audience is following. She's the one we're connected to. It's her journey. She is the stand in for us. So in that moment, when we the audience desperately want to hug Leia, the most logical narrative decision and emotional catharsis is Rey. Rey is us, not Chewie.

durdencommatyler wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Ensign9 wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:Im still conflicted with how they handled Han's death. The bridge scene was way too obvious. I did liked Harrison and Adam there, they were good. really good. But the everything else...the light going away, the darkness coming into Adam's face....JJ should have handled it better.

Post-death, Leia embracing the girl she’s known for five minutes instead of Chewie is unforgivable.

She and Chewie had their big hug moment earlier. It's fine.

cmon joe, you dont have to like everything about the new movies. Specially when even JJ said YEAH I FUCKED UP GUYS! BIG TIME.

I don't like everything. But "unforgivable" is beyond extreme. It's honestly not something I noticed at all until the internet told me to care about it. It's just not a big deal. It could have been handled differently but it really just doesn't matter. It's a weird thing to take a stand about.

I liked TFA and I definitely found that moment distracting. The way these movies play with Chewie's "personhood" is kind of messed up -- it goes all the way back to him not getting a medal in ANH!

theplatypus wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Ensign9 wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:Im still conflicted with how they handled Han's death. The bridge scene was way too obvious. I did liked Harrison and Adam there, they were good. really good. But the everything else...the light going away, the darkness coming into Adam's face....JJ should have handled it better.

Post-death, Leia embracing the girl she’s known for five minutes instead of Chewie is unforgivable.

She and Chewie had their big hug moment earlier. It's fine.

cmon joe, you dont have to like everything about the new movies. Specially when even JJ said YEAH I FUCKED UP GUYS! BIG TIME.

I don't like everything. But "unforgivable" is beyond extreme. It's honestly not something I noticed at all until the internet told me to care about it. It's just not a big deal. It could have been handled differently but it really just doesn't matter. It's a weird thing to take a stand about.

I liked TFA and I definitely found that moment distracting. The way these movies play with Chewie's "personhood" is kind of messed up -- it goes all the way back to him not getting a medal in ANH!

This I totally agree with.

durdencommatyler wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:I wasnt talking about Leia but the scene. The scene man. Not the woman but the scene. Just the scene.

I was referencing back to Ensign's post.

As far as the scene goes, Rey is who the audience is following. She's the one we're connected to. It's her journey. She is the stand in for us. So in that moment, when we the audience desperately want to hug Leia, the most logical narrative decision and emotional catharsis is Rey. Rey is us, not Chewie.

i get what you say, but even JJ said it was fucked up. It was very very distracting to have Chewie there.

It’s really not that big a deal imo

That depends on the viewer i guess. For a lot of folks it was weird. Even for JJ.

VinylGuy wrote:Oh i remember being in the theatre and watching the scene like wtf this is sooo weird.
It was actually cool to hear JJ said, yeah, huge mistake. Sorry.

Im glad your feelings were validated by the director

Strat wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:Oh i remember being in the theatre and watching the scene like wtf this is sooo weird.
It was actually cool to hear JJ said, yeah, huge mistake. Sorry.

Im glad your feelings were validated by the director

yeah, me too. Great moment.

I never thought about the hugging scene at all, but I agree it is weird the she hugs Rey first when you point it out. However, it bothered me on the very first viewing that we didn't get to see Poe leave Jakku. Weird choice.