Bi_3 wrote:Imagine a world in which these people put half of the energy they spend on trashcan shields and poop bombs into things like tutoring kids or providing free-of-charge daycare services. You know, things that actually help improve black lives.
Now imagine asking them to do that.
I really feel like 2020 is becoming a lesson in what happens when no one listens to the people using these proper channels/methods, and the wave just continues to build until it breaks in this way. The questions isn’t “why aren’t people doing it this way,” it’s “why didn’t people listen back then?”
What is it that society missed?
Looks like the message being completely consumed and perverted to take away from black lives mattering.
Black people in the PNW don't have the numbers to prevent it from happening, though to be honest, it happens anyway.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon July 27, 2020 9:27 pm
by Bi_3
B wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
Rob wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:Speaking of snark...
Bi_3 wrote:Imagine a world in which these people put half of the energy they spend on trashcan shields and poop bombs into things like tutoring kids or providing free-of-charge daycare services. You know, things that actually help improve black lives.
Now imagine asking them to do that.
I really feel like 2020 is becoming a lesson in what happens when no one listens to the people using these proper channels/methods, and the wave just continues to build until it breaks in this way. The questions isn’t “why aren’t people doing it this way,” it’s “why didn’t people listen back then?”
What is it that society missed?
And how do night after night attacks on the federal courthouse in Portland help that cause?
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon July 27, 2020 9:28 pm
by Rob
Bi_3 wrote:
Rob wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:Speaking of snark...
Bi_3 wrote:Imagine a world in which these people put half of the energy they spend on trashcan shields and poop bombs into things like tutoring kids or providing free-of-charge daycare services. You know, things that actually help improve black lives.
Now imagine asking them to do that.
I really feel like 2020 is becoming a lesson in what happens when no one listens to the people using these proper channels/methods, and the wave just continues to build until it breaks in this way. The questions isn’t “why aren’t people doing it this way,” it’s “why didn’t people listen back then?”
What is it that society missed?
Building the proper supports for the type of stuff you’re talking about, like free (quality) daycare, which would go a long way. These things are lefty pipe dreams most of the time, right? I don’t see how “defund the police” becomes a thing unless resources are being routed to institutions that can’t really solve the problems. These ideas have been around forever. People are listening now that it’s been forced.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon July 27, 2020 9:30 pm
by Bi_3
tragabigzanda wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
digster wrote:I think what you're seeing in this thread (and honestly, far more overtly in the Republican Party writ large) is befuddlement and frustration as to why the usual culture war stuff isn't working this time, at least thus far. They don't get why they're continuing to craft message ads about those violent protestors that are coming for you and your kids, and they're continuing to fail at scaring the suburbs.
But it's not all that surprising; pearl-clutching about caravans of people from South America coming to invade the country didn't save them in 2018, either. That it's not working now doesn't mean it's not going to work in the end. But there certainly seems to be confusion as to why it's not working now.
No that's not it.
I think this is a large part of it. See the MT article I posted in the 2020 thread, in which Sen. Daines admits that his constituents don’t really care about NRA ratings right now. They want to know how they’ll pay rent next month.
Exactly. If people think BLM is anything more than a rallying cry at this point, they are blind. This is about groups exploiting economic desperation and fear.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon July 27, 2020 9:31 pm
by epilogue
Rob wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
Rob wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:Speaking of snark...
Bi_3 wrote:Imagine a world in which these people put half of the energy they spend on trashcan shields and poop bombs into things like tutoring kids or providing free-of-charge daycare services. You know, things that actually help improve black lives.
Now imagine asking them to do that.
I really feel like 2020 is becoming a lesson in what happens when no one listens to the people using these proper channels/methods, and the wave just continues to build until it breaks in this way. The questions isn’t “why aren’t people doing it this way,” it’s “why didn’t people listen back then?”
What is it that society missed?
Building the proper supports for the type of stuff you’re talking about, like free (quality) daycare, which would go a long way. These things are lefty pipe dreams most of the time, right? I don’t see how “defund the police” becomes a thing unless resources are being routed to institutions that can’t really solve the problems. These ideas have been around forever. People are listening now that it’s been forced.
I mean, off the top of my head? Federal Troops being deployed, kidnapping people off the street, abusing anti-racism protesters sure seems like it isn't going to have a positive affect on Black lives.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon July 27, 2020 9:32 pm
by Bi_3
Then why attack federal property?
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon July 27, 2020 9:33 pm
by B
Bi_3 wrote:
B wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
Rob wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:Speaking of snark...
Bi_3 wrote:Imagine a world in which these people put half of the energy they spend on trashcan shields and poop bombs into things like tutoring kids or providing free-of-charge daycare services. You know, things that actually help improve black lives.
Now imagine asking them to do that.
I really feel like 2020 is becoming a lesson in what happens when no one listens to the people using these proper channels/methods, and the wave just continues to build until it breaks in this way. The questions isn’t “why aren’t people doing it this way,” it’s “why didn’t people listen back then?”
What is it that society missed?
And how do night after night attacks on the federal courthouse in Portland help that cause?
You keep posting like there was a strategy meeting. There's no one that figures out how their actions help. There's no Antifa. There's just people that are sick of getting shit on by their government freaking out because when they came to tell their government that their government shot them in face with rubber bullets.
"Hey Joe, this cop shot me with rubber bullets and pepper spray when I held up a sign that said 'Black Lives Matter'."
"Welp, let's send an A-53B form back to committee and have them assess our next best possible strategy for moving civil rights forward at their next committee roundhouse."
"Yay!"
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon July 27, 2020 9:34 pm
by epilogue
Bi_3 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
digster wrote:I think what you're seeing in this thread (and honestly, far more overtly in the Republican Party writ large) is befuddlement and frustration as to why the usual culture war stuff isn't working this time, at least thus far. They don't get why they're continuing to craft message ads about those violent protestors that are coming for you and your kids, and they're continuing to fail at scaring the suburbs.
But it's not all that surprising; pearl-clutching about caravans of people from South America coming to invade the country didn't save them in 2018, either. That it's not working now doesn't mean it's not going to work in the end. But there certainly seems to be confusion as to why it's not working now.
No that's not it.
I think this is a large part of it. See the MT article I posted in the 2020 thread, in which Sen. Daines admits that his constituents don’t really care about NRA ratings right now. They want to know how they’ll pay rent next month.
Exactly. If people think BLM is anything more than a rallying cry at this point, they are blind. This is about groups exploiting economic desperation and fear.
Not fear, no. Let that myth go. But otherwise, what you seem incapable of understanding is that economic desperation and BLM aren't mutually exclusive. You've said that we should "listen to actual Black voices, RM." Are you doing the same? Are you listening to the Black voices that don't conform to you preconceived political ideals? I'm sure you are. I probably just missed those posts in all of the clatter.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon July 27, 2020 9:34 pm
by epilogue
Bi_3 wrote:Then why attack federal property?
Because... that's where the federal... troops... are...
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon July 27, 2020 9:34 pm
by B
Bi_3 wrote:Then why attack federal property?
If you were being illegally assaulted and abused by federal officers, why the fuck wouldn't you?
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon July 27, 2020 9:35 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon July 27, 2020 9:37 pm
by BurtReynolds
Most Republican politicians responded to this with complete spinelessness, and it was devastating to their election hopes. They didn't even enter into the "culture war" (which is of course what all of this actually is part of). The "culture war stuff" works more slowly than knee jerk reactionism of dems, but works better than trying to grovel to people who have spent the last four years in a state of hysterical terror that they are Nazis. But it's too little too late I think. Trump had the power (thanks to Obama) to form task forces to prevent much of the worst rioting, and did nothing, thinking lefty mayors would get all the blame. Doesn't work when you're the president.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon July 27, 2020 9:57 pm
by Bi_3
B wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:Then why attack federal property?
If you were being illegally assaulted and abused by federal officers, why the fuck wouldn't you?
Now which of those two things came first there friend?
digster wrote:I think what you're seeing in this thread (and honestly, far more overtly in the Republican Party writ large) is befuddlement and frustration as to why the usual culture war stuff isn't working this time, at least thus far. They don't get why they're continuing to craft message ads about those violent protestors that are coming for you and your kids, and they're continuing to fail at scaring the suburbs.
But it's not all that surprising; pearl-clutching about caravans of people from South America coming to invade the country didn't save them in 2018, either. That it's not working now doesn't mean it's not going to work in the end. But there certainly seems to be confusion as to why it's not working now.
No that's not it.
I think this is a large part of it. See the MT article I posted in the 2020 thread, in which Sen. Daines admits that his constituents don’t really care about NRA ratings right now. They want to know how they’ll pay rent next month.
Exactly. If people think BLM is anything more than a rallying cry at this point, they are blind. This is about groups exploiting economic desperation and fear.
Maybe I misunderstood something, but that’s not exactly what I was trying to say.
The BLM movement is long overdue and wholly authentic. The co-opting of the movement by white Portlanders is embarrassing, as is the Federal response. The movement should be peaceful, and the Fed response should be reasonable. Everything happening in PDX is a damn shame, and not helpful to either party’s agenda.
We are very much on the same page here. There seems to be some folks here who are struggling with this.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon July 27, 2020 10:28 pm
by epilogue
Bi_3 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
digster wrote:I think what you're seeing in this thread (and honestly, far more overtly in the Republican Party writ large) is befuddlement and frustration as to why the usual culture war stuff isn't working this time, at least thus far. They don't get why they're continuing to craft message ads about those violent protestors that are coming for you and your kids, and they're continuing to fail at scaring the suburbs.
But it's not all that surprising; pearl-clutching about caravans of people from South America coming to invade the country didn't save them in 2018, either. That it's not working now doesn't mean it's not going to work in the end. But there certainly seems to be confusion as to why it's not working now.
No that's not it.
I think this is a large part of it. See the MT article I posted in the 2020 thread, in which Sen. Daines admits that his constituents don’t really care about NRA ratings right now. They want to know how they’ll pay rent next month.
Exactly. If people think BLM is anything more than a rallying cry at this point, they are blind. This is about groups exploiting economic desperation and fear.
Maybe I misunderstood something, but that’s not exactly what I was trying to say.
The BLM movement is long overdue and wholly authentic. The co-opting of the movement by white Portlanders is embarrassing, as is the Federal response. The movement should be peaceful, and the Fed response should be reasonable. Everything happening in PDX is a damn shame, and not helpful to either party’s agenda.
We are very much on the same page here. There seems to be some folks here who are struggling with this.
Just Burt as far as I can tell.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon July 27, 2020 10:29 pm
by epilogue
Bi_3 wrote:
B wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:Then why attack federal property?
If you were being illegally assaulted and abused by federal officers, why the fuck wouldn't you?
Now which of those two things came first there friend?
Because... that's where the federal... troops... are...
The Marshals Service has always been there, normally in different uniforms. BORTAC is new, but understandably they need some backup after Portland Police largely retreated.
The only winning move would be to remove all the files and equipment, surrender the building and let it burn. Of the largely incoherent demands, thats about the only thing the feds could deliver.
I think its a pretty solid plan, and builds on Trump moving the Bureau of Land Management to fly over land. We just move all Federal Courts and departments to the middle of bum fuck nowhere. I'm sure that'll turn out great for progressives.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon July 27, 2020 11:02 pm
by B
Bi_3 wrote:
B wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:Then why attack federal property?
If you were being illegally assaulted and abused by federal officers, why the fuck wouldn't you?
Now which of those two things came first there friend?
