Red Mosquito

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:"that lie really needs to stop" he says after reading a known-transphobic journalist's tweet

but, "how dare you be mean to me, I am just asking questions!" he also says

There really aren't any good studies on this stuff. "Just trust me bro" is not normally the standard we use for medical interventions of this sort.

Exactly. In the US puberty blockers are not approved to use for GD, so they have not gone through the same multiyear review process that other medicines have to in order to prove they are safe for the use case in question. What Singal is saying, which is the same as the NHS is now saying, is that we don't have enough data to be sure... which is obviously the truth. Most of the studies done are on precocious puberty(PP) as that is what it's approved for here, which is a different use case. In PP the drugs interfere with the development of some amount of secondary sexual characteristics (varying by dosage and by patient) so the brain can catch up to where the body is. For GD it would be different as the brain and body are in sync and the drugs are disrupting the natural state, allowing the brain to get ahead of where the body is developmentally and you cannot 'reverse' that once it's been done. That's why the 'pause button' analogy is bullshit, because everything is still moving forward except some amount of secondary sexual characteristics (varying by dosage and by patient).

I don't disagree. But when we get into how do those concerns translate into voting, it becomes important to point out that the Republican strategy is to attack people based on social issues, and then when the Democrats defend those point, wail about how the Democrats are wasting all of their time on social issues that no one cares about.

That has an impact on how people feel when the pollsters call them.

B wrote:The NIH in the US suggests monitoring bone density and cognitive development among youth on puberty blockers and not on puberty blockers, but does not recommend discontinuing their use.

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:"that lie really needs to stop" he says after reading a known-transphobic journalist's tweet

but, "how dare you be mean to me, I am just asking questions!" he also says

There really aren't any good studies on this stuff. "Just trust me bro" is not normally the standard we use for medical interventions of this sort.

Exactly. In the US puberty blockers are not approved to use for GD, so they have not gone through the same multiyear review process that other medicines have to in order to prove they are safe for the use case in question. What Singal is saying, which is the same as the NHS is now saying, is that we don't have enough data to be sure... which is obviously the truth. Most of the studies done are on precocious puberty(PP) as that is what it's approved for here, which is a different use case. In PP the drugs interfere with the development of some amount of secondary sexual characteristics (varying by dosage and by patient) so the brain can catch up to where the body is. For GD it would be different as the brain and body are in sync and the drugs are disrupting the natural state, allowing the brain to get ahead of where the body is developmentally and you cannot 'reverse' that once it's been done. That's why the 'pause button' analogy is bullshit, because everything is still moving forward except some amount of secondary sexual characteristics (varying by dosage and by patient).

I don't disagree. But when we get into how do those concerns translate into voting, it becomes important to point out that the Republican strategy is to attack people based on social issues, and then when the Democrats defend those point, wail about how the Democrats are wasting all of their time on social issues that no one cares about.

That has an impact on how people feel when the pollsters call them.

Yup.

I'm not aware of a single red teamer that has stated an objective position on this, it's all 'groomers' this and 'MAPs' that, no willingness to even allow for the possibility that though there are risks, for some young people struggling out there it's the right choice.

Ms Harmless wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:"that lie really needs to stop" he says after reading a known-transphobic journalist's tweet

but, "how dare you be mean to me, I am just asking questions!" he also says

There really aren't any good studies on this stuff. "Just trust me bro" is not normally the standard we use for medical interventions of this sort.

Exactly. In the US puberty blockers are not approved to use for GD, so they have not gone through the same multiyear review process that other medicines have to in order to prove they are safe for the use case in question. What Singal is saying, which is the same as the NHS is now saying, is that we don't have enough data to be sure... which is obviously the truth. Most of the studies done are on precocious puberty(PP) as that is what it's approved for here, which is a different use case. In PP the drugs interfere with the development of some amount of secondary sexual characteristics (varying by dosage and by patient) so the brain can catch up to where the body is. For GD it would be different as the brain and body are in sync and the drugs are disrupting the natural state, allowing the brain to get ahead of where the body is developmentally and you cannot 'reverse' that once it's been done. That's why the 'pause button' analogy is bullshit, because everything is still moving forward except some amount of secondary sexual characteristics (varying by dosage and by patient).

I don't disagree. But when we get into how do those concerns translate into voting, it becomes important to point out that the Republican strategy is to attack people based on social issues, and then when the Democrats defend those point, wail about how the Democrats are wasting all of their time on social issues that no one cares about.

That has an impact on how people feel when the pollsters call them.

Yup.

I'm not aware of a single red teamer that has stated an objective position on this, it's all 'groomers' this and 'MAPs' that, no willingness to even allow for the possibility that though there are risks, for some young people struggling out there it's the right choice.

I thought its stated purpose and efficacy was a "lie" that needs to stop?

Bi_3 wrote: Puberty blockers are not a pause button, that lie really needs to stop.

Bi_3 wrote:

Bi_3 wrote: Puberty blockers are not a pause button, that lie really needs to stop.

Ms Harmless wrote:detractors of this type of care for trans kids don't care about their mental health, they only care about not wanting kids with / without tits

BurtReynolds wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:detractors of this type of care for trans kids don't care about their mental health, they only care about not wanting kids with / without tits

There are those questionable psychic powers again.

BurtReynolds wrote:Oh you were being hyperbolic.