Red Mosquito

elliseamos wrote:Could it be that Kim blames Howard for how Jimmy has ended up? Not realizing this is who he is and Chuck & Howard were right about him?

theplatypus wrote:I don't know how much Kim "doesn't realize" who Jimmy is, but something we've seen a few times now is that she has a really extreme reaction to people bad-mouthing him. It shakes her into action. We saw this when Chuck confronted her about Jimmy's document tampering, when the District Attorney referred to him as a "some scumbag," when Kevin from Mesa Verde told Kim she could do better than Jimmy. All of these things had an immediate galvanizing effect on Kim. I think this plan to bring Howard down is another example of that, an extreme reaction to Howard's condescension.

elliseamos wrote:

theplatypus wrote:I don't know how much Kim "doesn't realize" who Jimmy is, but something we've seen a few times now is that she has a really extreme reaction to people bad-mouthing him. It shakes her into action. We saw this when Chuck confronted her about Jimmy's document tampering, when the District Attorney referred to him as a "some scumbag," when Kevin from Mesa Verde told Kim she could do better than Jimmy. All of these things had an immediate galvanizing effect on Kim. I think this plan to bring Howard down is another example of that, an extreme reaction to Howard's condescension.

Good points all, but does she not accept the badmouthing b/c she thinks differently of him or b/c she sees Jimmy/Saul in herself?

I personally think the former, whereas I get the sense you all see the latter.

Bammer wrote:Isn’t that the guy from Scarface?

theplatypus wrote:After all is said and done, I think this was clearly the best season so far.

I did a full re-watch in the lead-up to season 5. My ranking now is:

5
3
2
4
1

Season 4 had several great episodes towards the end (including what I think is the strongest season finale yet) but there's a stretch near the start that was just brutal. Season 1 is not bad but the show still felt kind of light and tentative; the Kettlemans were basically cartoon characters, I'm not sure they would fit in what the show eventually became.

psychobain wrote:Kim was so hot during this episode
i cant watch this show anymore

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:Terrific season.

Question on Kim:

Spoiler: show

Re: Kim's ideas to ruin Howard, do we think this is because she's legitimately going over to the dark side, because Jimmy's broken something loose in her? Or is more like a test, like she's pushing herself to see what her moral compass will do with a different set of expectations, and maybe how Jimmy might respond?

And Nacho is fucked.