Red Mosquito

BurtReynolds wrote:

hlniv wrote: I'm glad Jeff wore a hat

This point shouldn't be ignored.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:I watched Alive again. I really like that version

spike wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:I watched Alive again. I really like that version

Jeff's hat ruined it.

TremorJam wrote:I really don't care about all the hoopla surrounding Dave A. or the band's personal life. I was making a joke about Satan's Bed. A little late, admittedly. Dave has been acting like a Drama Queen over it all, though. Five Against 1 is a great read that goes into great detail about it all. I highly recommend it. I still love the music and the shows. And I like Boom and Ed's gonna be Ed. I wouldn't want it any other way. I took ALL my heroes off their pedestals a while back. They're just people and people are flawed. PJ has been and will still be my favorite band until I'm too old to care or in my grave.

I was really happy that Ed mentioned that they still enjoy writing together. That bodes well for future records. I like the Brandi Carlisle cover, too.

spike wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:I watched Alive again. I really like that version

Jeff's hat ruined it.

BurtReynolds wrote:He really shouldn't have worn a hat. Talk about living in the past lol!!1!

Yiu all sound super dumb and I never though Platy would

hlniv wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:He really shouldn't have worn a hat. Talk about living in the past lol!!1!

Yiu all sound super dumb and I never though Platy would

Counterpoint: He really did a good job wearing that hat. He is honoring the legacy of his hat-wearing.

Yiu are smart if you agree with me.

Thank you

spike wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:With Dave after all these years we really don't have much to go on as to what went down. There's Dave's side of the story which we've heard, but we've heard little from the band aside what was in the PJ20 book and some errant comments. Just that he didn't fit in. My sense is it's fairly typical dynamics that happen to many bands. One band member was going through an especially hard time with something. Whether or not you agree with how he's handling it or not, he's your bandmate, you're on his team. You've gotta make sure he's alright, or there is no band to play for. More importantly than that, he's the star so he holds the cards. Your the drummer that they hired cause they were desperate to get the Ten touring plans going. Somehow the band took off, but you gotta recognize your 1 of 5 people and that they gotta be getting along with you. I dunno, at the end of the day, it's just relationships, I think the fan viewpoint is just one very skewed version of what probably really went down. I hope someone in the band writes a book and we learn more about all of this.

No, it's out there. Dave A. accidentally damaged one of.Ed's guitars, then Ed had Stone fire him.

Tuolumne wrote:

spike wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:With Dave after all these years we really don't have much to go on as to what went down. There's Dave's side of the story which we've heard, but we've heard little from the band aside what was in the PJ20 book and some errant comments. Just that he didn't fit in. My sense is it's fairly typical dynamics that happen to many bands. One band member was going through an especially hard time with something. Whether or not you agree with how he's handling it or not, he's your bandmate, you're on his team. You've gotta make sure he's alright, or there is no band to play for. More importantly than that, he's the star so he holds the cards. Your the drummer that they hired cause they were desperate to get the Ten touring plans going. Somehow the band took off, but you gotta recognize your 1 of 5 people and that they gotta be getting along with you. I dunno, at the end of the day, it's just relationships, I think the fan viewpoint is just one very skewed version of what probably really went down. I hope someone in the band writes a book and we learn more about all of this.

No, it's out there. Dave A. accidentally damaged one of.Ed's guitars, then Ed had Stone fire him.

I think the guitar breaking story was just a tidbit symbolizing their relationship at that point. I mean, based on what we do know, I feel like I understand. ONe band member, the most important band member, is basically having a mental breakdown. Another one is flying off the handle with alcohol and drug issues. And the 2 founding members are just confused and shell-shocked by everything. You either help keep the band together or you may be part of the problem. In that situation, if you're mouthing off about hating the Ticketmaster thing or the new songs or whatever that certainly is your right, but the band needs help and you're just making things worse. With this going on, the other "rock icon" kills himself and your star band member freaks out even more. I guess it must have been an untenable situation at the time.

Eh, I'm glad they made it to this point. I hope they just spend any scheduled time together now collaborating on tunes.

Whenever I look at Jeff now, I just think of Weird Al's Amish Paradise video back in the day.

Tuolumne wrote:I just watched the Dave Krusen performance again. It legitimately gave me the chills, especially when he was doing the drum fills during the solo and Ed was cheering him along.

The band has never been one of those bands like U2 or Green Day, where it's the same dudes from the very beginning. That's something special this particular band has never had, and really very few can ever maintain. That ended once Krusen left. Dave A basically arrived from industry contacts, while Jack and Matt have genuine connections but came later.

Krusen was the one jamming on Mookie Blaylock songs and resurrected the 'same 5 guys against the world' mentality they never really had. Pretty amazing to see it come back from the dead. I'll probably watch this performance alot.

Anders wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:I just watched the Dave Krusen performance again. It legitimately gave me the chills, especially when he was doing the drum fills during the solo and Ed was cheering him along.

The band has never been one of those bands like U2 or Green Day, where it's the same dudes from the very beginning. That's something special this particular band has never had, and really very few can ever maintain. That ended once Krusen left. Dave A basically arrived from industry contacts, while Jack and Matt have genuine connections but came later.

Krusen was the one jamming on Mookie Blaylock songs and resurrected the 'same 5 guys against the world' mentality they never really had. Pretty amazing to see it come back from the dead. I'll probably watch this performance alot.

True. However Dave K came in about the same time as Eddie did. Matt Cameron rehearsed the demos with the band first, and Chris Friel played on the original taped demos.

Meanwhile Jack Irons introduced Eddie to the band. So it's not like Jack or Matt doesn't have the history with the band.

Birds in Hell wrote:

Anders wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:I just watched the Dave Krusen performance again. It legitimately gave me the chills, especially when he was doing the drum fills during the solo and Ed was cheering him along.

The band has never been one of those bands like U2 or Green Day, where it's the same dudes from the very beginning. That's something special this particular band has never had, and really very few can ever maintain. That ended once Krusen left. Dave A basically arrived from industry contacts, while Jack and Matt have genuine connections but came later.

Krusen was the one jamming on Mookie Blaylock songs and resurrected the 'same 5 guys against the world' mentality they never really had. Pretty amazing to see it come back from the dead. I'll probably watch this performance alot.

True. However Dave K came in about the same time as Eddie did. Matt Cameron rehearsed the demos with the band first, and Chris Friel played on the original taped demos.

Meanwhile Jack Irons introduced Eddie to the band. So it's not like Jack or Matt doesn't have the history with the band.

I think Friel only plays on one or two tracks on the first demo, Cameron's on drums for most of it.