Red Mosquito

stip wrote:

harmless wrote:

Strat wrote:RIP PJ


The PJ I once knew is dead. Creative spark seems spent and these guys are way too comfortable doing "business as usual"

Now, that doesnt mean I dont find some enjoyment in these new songs. And yes, sure, maybe, the rest of the record is more up my alley and may show what PJ are still capable of. However, these 4 songs (plus MYM and FD) are PJ Lite. once you realize this is the new pearl jam, the songs can be enjoyed for what they are. Pearl Jam used to be more than that but they seem to have stopped pushing themsleves and i suppose that is only natural when you dont get together and create as a band or allow that growth to happen. It seems as though the band writing full fledged songs, bringing them into the group 2x over a 4 year period, does not promote the edge and creativty they once had.

Getaway has a great groove and I love the phrasing. THis song is most interesting to me.

Lightning bolt? Better version of Unthought Known but "been there done that". Not sure how this got through quality control. "umm, ed, really? this sounds identical to Unthought Known".

Swallowed whole - I cant remember it. Ed, stop bringing in your solo songs cause they are becoming less and less interesting (grievance anyone?) Lots of people love it so I haven't given up on it but as of now it was pretty forgettable. Lots of REM references from the board so maybe thats why im missing it....

LTRP - Man, could have been great but that chorus is so bland. Great guitar work and I like the swampy stagger of the rest of the song but i picture a mid 40's dude, chaperoning the high school prom, bopping his head to the chorus off to the side whilst drinking punch.

Ill obviously withhold final judgement till soaking in the entire album and I agree that context could play a huge role in the enjoyment of these songs. However, I think back to better records and try and imagine how I would feel if I heard "Breakerfall" "Gods Dice" and "Thin Air" prior to the entire album....

Basically, I shouldnt have to convince myself the songs are great and i find myself doing that.

RIP Strat

'Breakerfall'? That's really not a good song on its own, imo.

if the first three songs from binaural that I heard were god's dice, breakerfall, and thin air I'd probably have landed in therapy

stip wrote:earned

stip wrote:

Strat wrote:
Lightning bolt? Better version of Unthought Known but "been there done that". Not sure how this got through quality control. "umm, ed, really? this sounds identical to Unthought Known".

the same way MYM evolved from Ole, I suspect. I'm glad to see them try again and get it right in both cases.

Strat, out of curiosity, based on the early listening party reviews were any of these the songs you were really excited for/expecting to love?

harmless wrote:

stip wrote:

harmless wrote:

Strat wrote:RIP PJ


The PJ I once knew is dead. Creative spark seems spent and these guys are way too comfortable doing "business as usual"

Now, that doesnt mean I dont find some enjoyment in these new songs. And yes, sure, maybe, the rest of the record is more up my alley and may show what PJ are still capable of. However, these 4 songs (plus MYM and FD) are PJ Lite. once you realize this is the new pearl jam, the songs can be enjoyed for what they are. Pearl Jam used to be more than that but they seem to have stopped pushing themsleves and i suppose that is only natural when you dont get together and create as a band or allow that growth to happen. It seems as though the band writing full fledged songs, bringing them into the group 2x over a 4 year period, does not promote the edge and creativty they once had.

Getaway has a great groove and I love the phrasing. THis song is most interesting to me.

Lightning bolt? Better version of Unthought Known but "been there done that". Not sure how this got through quality control. "umm, ed, really? this sounds identical to Unthought Known".

Swallowed whole - I cant remember it. Ed, stop bringing in your solo songs cause they are becoming less and less interesting (grievance anyone?) Lots of people love it so I haven't given up on it but as of now it was pretty forgettable. Lots of REM references from the board so maybe thats why im missing it....

LTRP - Man, could have been great but that chorus is so bland. Great guitar work and I like the swampy stagger of the rest of the song but i picture a mid 40's dude, chaperoning the high school prom, bopping his head to the chorus off to the side whilst drinking punch.

Ill obviously withhold final judgement till soaking in the entire album and I agree that context could play a huge role in the enjoyment of these songs. However, I think back to better records and try and imagine how I would feel if I heard "Breakerfall" "Gods Dice" and "Thin Air" prior to the entire album....

Basically, I shouldnt have to convince myself the songs are great and i find myself doing that.

RIP Strat

'Breakerfall'? That's really not a good song on its own, imo.

if the first three songs from binaural that I heard were god's dice, breakerfall, and thin air I'd probably have landed in therapy

Yeah, there are definitely more exciting songs on there. On my first listen, the one song I liked on the album was Light Years. Everything else sounded like horrible retreads of older stuff. Sounds so familiar.

HardTI wrote:I seriously don't hear any Unthought Known in Lightning Bolt. I mean, literally nothing. They are maybe the same tempo? Sorry guys. I'm just not understanding that comparison.

verb_to_trust wrote:Strat not reverting back to full on fanboi Strat combines nicely with the KD review in reinforcing my complete and utter lack of any expectations for this record.

verb_to_trust wrote:Strat not reverting back to full on fanboi Strat combines nicely with the KD review in reinforcing my complete and utter lack of any expectations for this record.

Juvenal wrote:If you diss Breakerfall I'm going to fist you.

dimejinky99 wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Strat not reverting back to full on fanboi Strat combines nicely with the KD review in reinforcing my complete and utter lack of any expectations for this record.

Reads as
I didn't like it and needed the naysayers to back me up so therefore I'm happy.

HardTI wrote:I seriously don't hear any Unthought Known in Lightning Bolt. I mean, literally nothing. They are maybe the same tempo? Sorry guys. I'm just not understanding that comparison.

HardTI wrote:I seriously don't hear any Unthought Known in Lightning Bolt. I mean, literally nothing. They are maybe the same tempo? Sorry guys. I'm just not understanding that comparison.

Heathen wrote:

harmless wrote:

stip wrote:

harmless wrote:

Strat wrote:RIP PJ


The PJ I once knew is dead. Creative spark seems spent and these guys are way too comfortable doing "business as usual"

Now, that doesnt mean I dont find some enjoyment in these new songs. And yes, sure, maybe, the rest of the record is more up my alley and may show what PJ are still capable of. However, these 4 songs (plus MYM and FD) are PJ Lite. once you realize this is the new pearl jam, the songs can be enjoyed for what they are. Pearl Jam used to be more than that but they seem to have stopped pushing themsleves and i suppose that is only natural when you dont get together and create as a band or allow that growth to happen. It seems as though the band writing full fledged songs, bringing them into the group 2x over a 4 year period, does not promote the edge and creativty they once had. I was done, bored.

Getaway has a great groove and I love the phrasing. THis song is most interesting to me.

Lightning bolt? Better version of Unthought Known but "been there done that". Not sure how this got through quality control. "umm, ed, really? this sounds identical to Unthought Known".

Swallowed whole - I cant remember it. Ed, stop bringing in your solo songs cause they are becoming less and less interesting (grievance anyone?) Lots of people love it so I haven't given up on it but as of now it was pretty forgettable. Lots of REM references from the board so maybe thats why im missing it....

LTRP - Man, could have been great but that chorus is so bland. Great guitar work and I like the swampy stagger of the rest of the song but i picture a mid 40's dude, chaperoning the high school prom, bopping his head to the chorus off to the side whilst drinking punch.

Ill obviously withhold final judgement till soaking in the entire album and I agree that context could play a huge role in the enjoyment of these songs. However, I think back to better records and try and imagine how I would feel if I heard "Breakerfall" "Gods Dice" and "Thin Air" prior to the entire album....

Basically, I shouldnt have to convince myself the songs are great and i find myself doing that.

RIP Strat

'Breakerfall'? That's really not a good song on its own, imo.

if the first three songs from binaural that I heard were god's dice, breakerfall, and thin air I'd probably have landed in therapy

Yeah, there are definitely more exciting songs on there. On my first listen, the one song I liked on the album was Light Years. Everything else sounded like horrible retreads of older stuff. Sounds so familiar.

Wait... Songs like Of the Girl, Sleight of Hand or Rival were retreads of what?

Strat wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Strat not reverting back to full on fanboi Strat combines nicely with the KD review in reinforcing my complete and utter lack of any expectations for this record.

Where is KD's review?

verb_to_trust wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Strat not reverting back to full on fanboi Strat combines nicely with the KD review in reinforcing my complete and utter lack of any expectations for this record.

Reads as
I didn't like it and needed the naysayers to back me up so therefore I'm happy.

I haven't listened to the "leak", dimebag

durdencommatyler wrote:

HardTI wrote:I seriously don't hear any Unthought Known in Lightning Bolt. I mean, literally nothing. They are maybe the same tempo? Sorry guys. I'm just not understanding that comparison.

I've only heard the Wrigley version. And I only heard that once as it was happening. But I totally hear it. My first thought was that it was Unthought Known 2.