Red Mosquito

I don't know what's more obviously happening, but it's one of two things, possibly both going on in different people:

1) Some people are realising they don't like PJ anymore.

2) Some people are realising they were always just a rock band and any 'experimental' or indie street-cred was wholly imagined aside from a few novelty songs dotted around the albums.

verb_to_trust wrote: I'll be the first to say I like new songs. But based on everything that is being said, I would be shocked if I am impressed.

Right. Be very careful not to like something that some internet shmucks tell you not to. Geez...

I wouldn't expect to like anything you dickheads like!

dimejinky99 wrote:

Juvenal wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Strat not reverting back to full on fanboi Strat combines nicely with the KD review in reinforcing my complete and utter lack of any expectations for this record.

Reads as
I didn't like it and needed the naysayers to back me up so therefore I'm happy.

I haven't listened to the "leak", dimebag

Silly you, dime, for imagining he had listened to the songs before forming an opinion!

Really? He's complaining and he hasn't heard em?

How fucking dense are you really? He's not complaining about the songs, he's just talking about expectations. Expectations about songs usually precede hearing said songs. Might sound crazy but that's how it works.

Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

I forget, did those two songs leak before or after Wrigley happened?

Lounge Lizard wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote: I'll be the first to say I like new songs. But based on everything that is being said, I would be shocked if I am impressed.

Right. Be very careful not to like something that some internet shmucks tell you not to. Geez...

harmless wrote:I don't know what's more obviously happening, but it's one of two things, possibly both going on in different people:

1) Some people are realising they don't like PJ anymore.

2) Some people are realising they were always just a rock band and any 'experimental' or indie street-cred was wholly imagined aside from a few novelty songs dotted around the albums.

No way. Pearl jam were not "just a rock band". If they were, none of us would be hear wasting our fucking time talking for 700 pages about an album that we haven't heard yet...

and i still like pearl jam.

verb_to_trust wrote:Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

From the same curmudgeons who moan about the new stuff. I did not go ape shit over those two songs and I've only listened to them about three times, in spite of the fact I like them. I don't like them as much as I like these. CC is actually incredibly boring until halfway through. You loved them because they represented old PJ, and all the same people who loved them for that reason, hate this stuff. It's nothing short of predictable.

digster wrote:I forget, did those two songs leak before or after Wrigley happened?

Before, I believe

digster wrote:I forget, did those two songs leak before or after Wrigley happened?

I think before?

Strat wrote:

harmless wrote:I don't know what's more obviously happening, but it's one of two things, possibly both going on in different people:

1) Some people are realising they don't like PJ anymore.

2) Some people are realising they were always just a rock band and any 'experimental' or indie street-cred was wholly imagined aside from a few novelty songs dotted around the albums.

No way. Pearl jam were not "just a rock band". If they were, none of us would be hear wasting our fucking time talking for 700 pages about an album that we haven't heard yet...

and i still like pearl jam.

'Just a rock band' isn't an insult unless you take it as one. They were absolutely a rock band, but they were a rock band we fucking loved and effectively sold our souls to.

Heathen wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

Juvenal wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Strat not reverting back to full on fanboi Strat combines nicely with the KD review in reinforcing my complete and utter lack of any expectations for this record.

Reads as
I didn't like it and needed the naysayers to back me up so therefore I'm happy.

I haven't listened to the "leak", dimebag

Silly you, dime, for imagining he had listened to the songs before forming an opinion!

I
Really? He's complaining and he hasn't heard em?

How fucking dense are you really? He's not complaining about the songs, he's just talking about expectations. Expectations about songs usually precede hearing said songs. Might sound crazy but that's how it works.

Lol. Verb is cool with me and always has been. I've no problem. I was just making fun with juve

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

From the same curmudgeons who moan about the new stuff. I did not go ape shit over those two songs and I've only listened to them about three times, in spite of the fact I like them. I don't like them as much as I like these. CC is actually incredibly boring until halfway through. You loved them because they represented old PJ, and all the same people who loved them for that reason, hate this stuff. It's nothing short of predictable.

"Old Pj"

those tracks were from 2 albums ago and from a period where most people hate....and consider standard modern Pearl Jam.

Those songs take chances....

verb_to_trust wrote:
I haven't listened to the leak

well then quit your whining and wait till you have heard them. Didn't you just brag about being able to restrain yourself as opposed to our sorry asses? Show it.

harmless wrote: 'Just a rock band' isn't an insult unless you take it as one. They were absolutely a rock band, but they were a rock band we fucking loved and effectively sold our souls to.

Maybe people just don't like these songs. Maybe there's not this weird bias that's coloring their approach to new material. Sometimes the easiest explanation is the right one.

undignified

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

From the same curmudgeons who moan about the new stuff. I did not go ape shit over those two songs and I've only listened to them about three times, in spite of the fact I like them. I don't like them as much as I like these. CC is actually incredibly boring until halfway through. You loved them because they represented old PJ, and all the same people who loved them for that reason, hate this stuff. It's nothing short of predictable.

And you also like Everything by NIN. Nothing against you, or Stip, ect. But I've been around this forum long enough to know if certain people are really excited i'm probably not going to be that into it.

Strat wrote:

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

From the same curmudgeons who moan about the new stuff. I did not go ape shit over those two songs and I've only listened to them about three times, in spite of the fact I like them. I don't like them as much as I like these. CC is actually incredibly boring until halfway through. You loved them because they represented old PJ, and all the same people who loved them for that reason, hate this stuff. It's nothing short of predictable.

"Old Pj"

those tracks were from 2 albums ago and from a period where most people hate....and consider standard modern Pearl Jam.

Those songs take chances....

It was 7 years ago, at least. Not vintage PJ but old? Yeah. CC takes chances? It takes the chance of changing to a new chord structure half way through, like 'Fatal' did, if that's what you mean.

harmless wrote:I don't know what's more obviously happening, but it's one of two things, possibly both going on in different people:

1) Some people are realising they don't like PJ anymore.

2) Some people are realising they were always just a rock band and any 'experimental' or indie street-cred was wholly imagined aside from a few novelty songs dotted around the albums.

neither are true.

1) I still like a lot of Pearl Jam songs, and thus the band, just very very little recently.

2) those things are not wholly imagined.