Red Mosquito

verb_to_trust wrote:

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

From the same curmudgeons who moan about the new stuff. I did not go ape shit over those two songs and I've only listened to them about three times, in spite of the fact I like them. I don't like them as much as I like these. CC is actually incredibly boring until halfway through. You loved them because they represented old PJ, and all the same people who loved them for that reason, hate this stuff. It's nothing short of predictable.

And you also like Everything by NIN. Nothing against you, or Stip, ect. But I've been around this forum long enough to know if certain people are really excited i'm probably not going to be that into it.

STOP WHINING

verb_to_trust wrote:

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

From the same curmudgeons who moan about the new stuff. I did not go ape shit over those two songs and I've only listened to them about three times, in spite of the fact I like them. I don't like them as much as I like these. CC is actually incredibly boring until halfway through. You loved them because they represented old PJ, and all the same people who loved them for that reason, hate this stuff. It's nothing short of predictable.

And you also like Everything by NIN. Nothing against you, or Stip, ect. But I've been around this forum long enough to know if certain people are really excited i'm probably not going to be that into it.

Except that I love everything you love as well. I'm just possibly more open-minded than you.

Lounge Lizard wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:
I haven't listened to the leak

well then quit your whining and wait till you have heard them. Didn't you just brag about being able to restrain yourself as opposed to our sorry asses? Show it.

Is that how this thread got to be 700 plus pages? Because it is for concrete official information on first hand knowledge only?

harmless wrote:

Strat wrote:

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

From the same curmudgeons who moan about the new stuff. I did not go ape shit over those two songs and I've only listened to them about three times, in spite of the fact I like them. I don't like them as much as I like these. CC is actually incredibly boring until halfway through. You loved them because they represented old PJ, and all the same people who loved them for that reason, hate this stuff. It's nothing short of predictable.

"Old Pj"

those tracks were from 2 albums ago and from a period where most people hate....and consider standard modern Pearl Jam.

Those songs take chances....

It was 7 years ago, at least. Not vintage PJ but old? Yeah. CC takes chances? It takes the chance of changing to a new chord structure half way through, like 'Fatal' did, if that's what you mean.

It takes chances in that it doesnt confine to the standard verse/chorus shit that they commit to now. it's not a "hey look at me ! look how great i am!" kind of a song... I dig that.

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

From the same curmudgeons who moan about the new stuff. I did not go ape shit over those two songs and I've only listened to them about three times, in spite of the fact I like them. I don't like them as much as I like these. CC is actually incredibly boring until halfway through. You loved them because they represented old PJ, and all the same people who loved them for that reason, hate this stuff. It's nothing short of predictable.

And you also like Everything by NIN. Nothing against you, or Stip, ect. But I've been around this forum long enough to know if certain people are really excited i'm probably not going to be that into it.

Except that I love everything you love as well. I'm just possibly more open-minded than you.

Maybe. I think we both view In Two as the best track on Hesitation Marks. So theres that..

verb_to_trust wrote:

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

From the same curmudgeons who moan about the new stuff. I did not go ape shit over those two songs and I've only listened to them about three times, in spite of the fact I like them. I don't like them as much as I like these. CC is actually incredibly boring until halfway through. You loved them because they represented old PJ, and all the same people who loved them for that reason, hate this stuff. It's nothing short of predictable.

And you also like Everything by NIN. Nothing against you, or Stip, ect. But I've been around this forum long enough to know if certain people are really excited i'm probably not going to be that into it.

Except that I love everything you love as well. I'm just possibly more open-minded than you.

Maybe. I think we both view In Two as the best track on Hesitation Marks. So theres that..

Wait a minute, you better be fucking going to see the 'mats this weekend...

digster wrote:

harmless wrote: 'Just a rock band' isn't an insult unless you take it as one. They were absolutely a rock band, but they were a rock band we fucking loved and effectively sold our souls to.

Maybe people just don't like these songs. Maybe there's not this weird bias that's coloring their approach to new material. Sometimes the easiest explanation is the right one.

Right, so it would be really nice if people were saying that, rather than saying "Obviously if poster X,Y and Z aren't liking the songs, I won't fucking them either. Look at the schmucks who like the songs, I mean PJ have lost it, why can't these idiots see that?" Is this the easiest explanation, that PJ has just finished and everyone else who likes their stuff is just a twat?

verb_to_trust wrote:

Lounge Lizard wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:
I haven't listened to the leak

well then quit your whining and wait till you have heard them. Didn't you just brag about being able to restrain yourself as opposed to our sorry asses? Show it.

Is that how this thread got to be 700 plus pages? Because it is for concrete official information on first hand knowledge only?

You're weird

harmless wrote:

digster wrote:

harmless wrote: 'Just a rock band' isn't an insult unless you take it as one. They were absolutely a rock band, but they were a rock band we fucking loved and effectively sold our souls to.

Maybe people just don't like these songs. Maybe there's not this weird bias that's coloring their approach to new material. Sometimes the easiest explanation is the right one.

Right, so it would be really nice if people were saying that, rather than saying "Obviously if poster X,Y and Z aren't liking the songs, I won't fucking them either. Look at the schmucks who like the songs, I mean PJ have lost it, why can't these idiots see that?" Is this the easiest explanation, that PJ has just finished and everyone else who likes their stuff is just a twat?

this

harmless wrote:

digster wrote:

harmless wrote: 'Just a rock band' isn't an insult unless you take it as one. They were absolutely a rock band, but they were a rock band we fucking loved and effectively sold our souls to.

Maybe people just don't like these songs. Maybe there's not this weird bias that's coloring their approach to new material. Sometimes the easiest explanation is the right one.

Right, so it would be really nice if people were saying that, rather than saying "Obviously if poster X,Y and Z aren't liking the songs, I won't fucking them either. Look at the schmucks who like the songs, I mean PJ have lost it, why can't these idiots see that?" Is this the easiest explanation, that PJ has just finished and everyone else who likes their stuff is just a twat?

It's a good thing that no one said that then.

Heathen wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

From the same curmudgeons who moan about the new stuff. I did not go ape shit over those two songs and I've only listened to them about three times, in spite of the fact I like them. I don't like them as much as I like these. CC is actually incredibly boring until halfway through. You loved them because they represented old PJ, and all the same people who loved them for that reason, hate this stuff. It's nothing short of predictable.

And you also like Everything by NIN. Nothing against you, or Stip, ect. But I've been around this forum long enough to know if certain people are really excited i'm probably not going to be that into it.

STOP WHINING

verb_to_trust wrote:

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

From the same curmudgeons who moan about the new stuff. I did not go ape shit over those two songs and I've only listened to them about three times, in spite of the fact I like them. I don't like them as much as I like these. CC is actually incredibly boring until halfway through. You loved them because they represented old PJ, and all the same people who loved them for that reason, hate this stuff. It's nothing short of predictable.

And you also like Everything by NIN. Nothing against you, or Stip, ect. But I've been around this forum long enough to know if certain people are really excited i'm probably not going to be that into it.

Except that I love everything you love as well. I'm just possibly more open-minded than you.

Maybe. I think we both view In Two as the best track on Hesitation Marks. So theres that..

The first half of the album is more catchy and instant, but the second half has more of the slow-burning rewards. And yes that song might be the best on the album.

harmless wrote:

digster wrote:

harmless wrote: 'Just a rock band' isn't an insult unless you take it as one. They were absolutely a rock band, but they were a rock band we fucking loved and effectively sold our souls to.

Maybe people just don't like these songs. Maybe there's not this weird bias that's coloring their approach to new material. Sometimes the easiest explanation is the right one.

Right, so it would be really nice if people were saying that, rather than saying "Obviously if poster X,Y and Z aren't liking the songs, I won't fucking them either. Look at the schmucks who like the songs, I mean PJ have lost it, why can't these idiots see that?" Is this the easiest explanation, that PJ has just finished and everyone else who likes their stuff is just a twat?

Great Post!

Team Harmless.

Heathen wrote:

harmless wrote:

digster wrote:

harmless wrote: 'Just a rock band' isn't an insult unless you take it as one. They were absolutely a rock band, but they were a rock band we fucking loved and effectively sold our souls to.

Maybe people just don't like these songs. Maybe there's not this weird bias that's coloring their approach to new material. Sometimes the easiest explanation is the right one.

Right, so it would be really nice if people were saying that, rather than saying "Obviously if poster X,Y and Z aren't liking the songs, I won't fucking them either. Look at the schmucks who like the songs, I mean PJ have lost it, why can't these idiots see that?" Is this the easiest explanation, that PJ has just finished and everyone else who likes their stuff is just a twat?

It's a good thing that no one said that then.

I might about a month from now.

I get the disappointment with the new material, although I myself am not one of those that are displeased with the stuff we have heard thus far

I am listening to W.M.A. right now - that song is so unique! You have this funky drum part going on with these really awesome vocals from Ed. All in all it was very experimental and it provided this unique sound scape. Nowadays PJ really doesn't do much that expands beyond power chord rockers or acoustic ballady stuff. I still dig the material, but I don't get why they don't want to incorporate more experimental stuff in there nowadays

I also conclude that they need more guitar riffage! Alone, Even Flow, Animal, etc. all had singable guitar parts instead of just power chords. That is why I think many people love Of The Earth



But all in all I enjoy the new material a lot so its all good

Heathen wrote:

harmless wrote:

digster wrote:

harmless wrote: 'Just a rock band' isn't an insult unless you take it as one. They were absolutely a rock band, but they were a rock band we fucking loved and effectively sold our souls to.

Maybe people just don't like these songs. Maybe there's not this weird bias that's coloring their approach to new material. Sometimes the easiest explanation is the right one.

Right, so it would be really nice if people were saying that, rather than saying "Obviously if poster X,Y and Z aren't liking the songs, I won't fucking them either. Look at the schmucks who like the songs, I mean PJ have lost it, why can't these idiots see that?" Is this the easiest explanation, that PJ has just finished and everyone else who likes their stuff is just a twat?

It's a good thing that no one said that then.

Said what? No one said that PJ were over, RIP Pearl Jam, I'm going to decide which posters' opinions are trustworthy enough to assimilate into mine?

verb_to_trust wrote:

Heathen wrote:

harmless wrote:

digster wrote:

harmless wrote: 'Just a rock band' isn't an insult unless you take it as one. They were absolutely a rock band, but they were a rock band we fucking loved and effectively sold our souls to.

Maybe people just don't like these songs. Maybe there's not this weird bias that's coloring their approach to new material. Sometimes the easiest explanation is the right one.

Right, so it would be really nice if people were saying that, rather than saying "Obviously if poster X,Y and Z aren't liking the songs, I won't fucking them either. Look at the schmucks who like the songs, I mean PJ have lost it, why can't these idiots see that?" Is this the easiest explanation, that PJ has just finished and everyone else who likes their stuff is just a twat?

It's a good thing that no one said that then.

I might about a month from now.

Yeah I guess if you're going to be shat on for saying it you might just as well actually say it.

stip wrote:

stupidmop wrote:

harmless wrote:The slightly off-putting effect of the shiny production begins to wear off after a while.

It's not even the production really. It's the way they've chosen to interpret 'fun' or 'happy' or 'poppy' . Mym just came on and I was thinking wow this is kicking my ass maybe I was too harsh on it before, and then that fucking metaphysically redeemed part kicked in and reminded me why. Just bleh.

God damn it, stop hating my favorite parts of these fuckings songs

harmless wrote:

digster wrote:

harmless wrote: 'Just a rock band' isn't an insult unless you take it as one. They were absolutely a rock band, but they were a rock band we fucking loved and effectively sold our souls to.

Maybe people just don't like these songs. Maybe there's not this weird bias that's coloring their approach to new material. Sometimes the easiest explanation is the right one.

Right, so it would be really nice if people were saying that, rather than saying "Obviously if poster X,Y and Z aren't liking the songs, I won't fucking them either. Look at the schmucks who like the songs, I mean PJ have lost it, why can't these idiots see that?" Is this the easiest explanation, that PJ has just finished and everyone else who likes their stuff is just a twat?

I don't want to go down a long road on this, so all I'll say is that while talking PJ's music is interesting, talking about the biases that stop people from liking new PJ stuff, whether it's not like pop music or not liking the band at all or thinking they're experimental when they never were, or any of that, sounds boring. It's come up a lot here in the past few years and it's way more annoying that someone feeling negative about new material, to me at least. And this is coming from someone who finds a lot to like in the new stuff.

verb_to_trust wrote:

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

From the same curmudgeons who moan about the new stuff. I did not go ape shit over those two songs and I've only listened to them about three times, in spite of the fact I like them. I don't like them as much as I like these. CC is actually incredibly boring until halfway through. You loved them because they represented old PJ, and all the same people who loved them for that reason, hate this stuff. It's nothing short of predictable.

And you also like Everything by NIN. Nothing against you, or Stip, ect. But I've been around this forum long enough to know if certain people are really excited i'm probably not going to be that into it.

It's not fair on any song to judge it on that basis. Just because people you usually disagree with like something, means you won't like it? Without having heard it? C'mon