Red Mosquito

Heathen wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

Heathen wrote:

harmless wrote:

digster wrote:

harmless wrote: 'Just a rock band' isn't an insult unless you take it as one. They were absolutely a rock band, but they were a rock band we fucking loved and effectively sold our souls to.

Maybe people just don't like these songs. Maybe there's not this weird bias that's coloring their approach to new material. Sometimes the easiest explanation is the right one.

Right, so it would be really nice if people were saying that, rather than saying "Obviously if poster X,Y and Z aren't liking the songs, I won't fucking them either. Look at the schmucks who like the songs, I mean PJ have lost it, why can't these idiots see that?" Is this the easiest explanation, that PJ has just finished and everyone else who likes their stuff is just a twat?

It's a good thing that no one said that then.

I might about a month from now.

Yeah I guess if you're going to be shat on for saying it you might just as well actually say it.

harmless wrote:

Heathen wrote:

harmless wrote:

digster wrote:

harmless wrote: 'Just a rock band' isn't an insult unless you take it as one. They were absolutely a rock band, but they were a rock band we fucking loved and effectively sold our souls to.

Maybe people just don't like these songs. Maybe there's not this weird bias that's coloring their approach to new material. Sometimes the easiest explanation is the right one.

Right, so it would be really nice if people were saying that, rather than saying "Obviously if poster X,Y and Z aren't liking the songs, I won't fucking them either. Look at the schmucks who like the songs, I mean PJ have lost it, why can't these idiots see that?" Is this the easiest explanation, that PJ has just finished and everyone else who likes their stuff is just a twat?

It's a good thing that no one said that then.

Said what? No one said that PJ were over, RIP Pearl Jam, I'm going to decide which posters' opinions are trustworthy enough to assimilate into mine?

dimejinky99 wrote:

stip wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

BobSacremento wrote:

stip wrote:i think unthought known and lightning bolt may be the two most similar songs in the catalog!

I was actually thinking about this very subject of songs that sound like each other, I get that vibe from Grievance and Insignificance and even like Marker In The Sand and Big Wave

Not so much LB and UK as for some reason I am not really hearing the similarities beyond a palm muted guitar thing and Ed's vocals being up front but obviously a lot of people hear it so it may just be me lol

Getaway sounds like Fixers older wiser brother.

Stip?

It's more about phrasing and rhythm and a developed melody. I can hear it.

that's not a connection that jumped out at me but the next time I listen to getaway (or fixer) I'll listen for it.

digster wrote:

harmless wrote:

digster wrote:

harmless wrote: 'Just a rock band' isn't an insult unless you take it as one. They were absolutely a rock band, but they were a rock band we fucking loved and effectively sold our souls to.

Maybe people just don't like these songs. Maybe there's not this weird bias that's coloring their approach to new material. Sometimes the easiest explanation is the right one.

Right, so it would be really nice if people were saying that, rather than saying "Obviously if poster X,Y and Z aren't liking the songs, I won't fucking them either. Look at the schmucks who like the songs, I mean PJ have lost it, why can't these idiots see that?" Is this the easiest explanation, that PJ has just finished and everyone else who likes their stuff is just a twat?

I don't want to go down a long road on this, so all I'll say is that while talking PJ's music is interesting, talking about the biases that stop people from liking new PJ stuff, whether it's not like pop music or not liking the band at all or thinking they're experimental when they never were, or any of that, sounds boring. It's come up a lot here in the past few years and it's way more annoying that someone feeling negative about new material, to me at least. And this is coming from someone who finds a lot to like in the new stuff.

Heathen wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

Heathen wrote:

harmless wrote:

digster wrote:

harmless wrote: 'Just a rock band' isn't an insult unless you take it as one. They were absolutely a rock band, but they were a rock band we fucking loved and effectively sold our souls to.

Maybe people just don't like these songs. Maybe there's not this weird bias that's coloring their approach to new material. Sometimes the easiest explanation is the right one.

Right, so it would be really nice if people were saying that, rather than saying "Obviously if poster X,Y and Z aren't liking the songs, I won't fucking them either. Look at the schmucks who like the songs, I mean PJ have lost it, why can't these idiots see that?" Is this the easiest explanation, that PJ has just finished and everyone else who likes their stuff is just a twat?

It's a good thing that no one said that then.

I might about a month from now.

Yeah I guess if you're going to be shat on for saying it you might just as well actually say it.

digster wrote:I forget, did those two songs leak before or after Wrigley happened?

Lounge Lizard wrote:

Heathen wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

Heathen wrote:

harmless wrote:

digster wrote:

harmless wrote: 'Just a rock band' isn't an insult unless you take it as one. They were absolutely a rock band, but they were a rock band we fucking loved and effectively sold our souls to.

Maybe people just don't like these songs. Maybe there's not this weird bias that's coloring their approach to new material. Sometimes the easiest explanation is the right one.

Right, so it would be really nice if people were saying that, rather than saying "Obviously if poster X,Y and Z aren't liking the songs, I won't fucking them either. Look at the schmucks who like the songs, I mean PJ have lost it, why can't these idiots see that?" Is this the easiest explanation, that PJ has just finished and everyone else who likes their stuff is just a twat?

It's a good thing that no one said that then.

I might about a month from now.

Yeah I guess if you're going to be shat on for saying it you might just as well actually say it.

You're something, aren't you. No one's been shat on for saying they hated the new songs. Nobody.
Say you hate them before you heard them and get ready to be ridiculed - and rightly so.

Heathen wrote:

harmless wrote:

Heathen wrote:

harmless wrote:

digster wrote:

harmless wrote: 'Just a rock band' isn't an insult unless you take it as one. They were absolutely a rock band, but they were a rock band we fucking loved and effectively sold our souls to.

Maybe people just don't like these songs. Maybe there's not this weird bias that's coloring their approach to new material. Sometimes the easiest explanation is the right one.

Right, so it would be really nice if people were saying that, rather than saying "Obviously if poster X,Y and Z aren't liking the songs, I won't fucking them either. Look at the schmucks who like the songs, I mean PJ have lost it, why can't these idiots see that?" Is this the easiest explanation, that PJ has just finished and everyone else who likes their stuff is just a twat?

It's a good thing that no one said that then.

Said what? No one said that PJ were over, RIP Pearl Jam, I'm going to decide which posters' opinions are trustworthy enough to assimilate into mine?

no one called anyone idiots or schmucks for liking these songs

and it is pretty normal to have high/low expectations based on whether the songs are well-received by people whose taste aligns or doesn't align with yours

Strat wrote:

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

From the same curmudgeons who moan about the new stuff. I did not go ape shit over those two songs and I've only listened to them about three times, in spite of the fact I like them. I don't like them as much as I like these. CC is actually incredibly boring until halfway through. You loved them because they represented old PJ, and all the same people who loved them for that reason, hate this stuff. It's nothing short of predictable.

"Old Pj"

those tracks were from 2 albums ago and from a period where most people hate....and consider standard modern Pearl Jam.

Those songs take chances....

Heathen wrote:

Lounge Lizard wrote:

Heathen wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

Heathen wrote:

harmless wrote:

digster wrote:

harmless wrote: 'Just a rock band' isn't an insult unless you take it as one. They were absolutely a rock band, but they were a rock band we fucking loved and effectively sold our souls to.

Maybe people just don't like these songs. Maybe there's not this weird bias that's coloring their approach to new material. Sometimes the easiest explanation is the right one.

Right, so it would be really nice if people were saying that, rather than saying "Obviously if poster X,Y and Z aren't liking the songs, I won't fucking them either. Look at the schmucks who like the songs, I mean PJ have lost it, why can't these idiots see that?" Is this the easiest explanation, that PJ has just finished and everyone else who likes their stuff is just a twat?

It's a good thing that no one said that then.

I might about a month from now.

Yeah I guess if you're going to be shat on for saying it you might just as well actually say it.

You're something, aren't you. No one's been shat on for saying they hated the new songs. Nobody.
Say you hate them before you heard them and get ready to be ridiculed - and rightly so.

Yeah, and again, no one has said such a thing, so why are we even having this discussion?

verb_to_trust wrote:

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

From the same curmudgeons who moan about the new stuff. I did not go ape shit over those two songs and I've only listened to them about three times, in spite of the fact I like them. I don't like them as much as I like these. CC is actually incredibly boring until halfway through. You loved them because they represented old PJ, and all the same people who loved them for that reason, hate this stuff. It's nothing short of predictable.

And you also like Everything by NIN. Nothing against you, or Stip, ect. But I've been around this forum long enough to know if certain people are really excited i'm probably not going to be that into it.

Lounge Lizard wrote:

Heathen wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

Heathen wrote:

harmless wrote:

digster wrote:

harmless wrote: 'Just a rock band' isn't an insult unless you take it as one. They were absolutely a rock band, but they were a rock band we fucking loved and effectively sold our souls to.

Maybe people just don't like these songs. Maybe there's not this weird bias that's coloring their approach to new material. Sometimes the easiest explanation is the right one.

Right, so it would be really nice if people were saying that, rather than saying "Obviously if poster X,Y and Z aren't liking the songs, I won't fucking them either. Look at the schmucks who like the songs, I mean PJ have lost it, why can't these idiots see that?" Is this the easiest explanation, that PJ has just finished and everyone else who likes their stuff is just a twat?

It's a good thing that no one said that then.

I might about a month from now.

Yeah I guess if you're going to be shat on for saying it you might just as well actually say it.

You're something, aren't you. No one's been shat on for saying they hated the new songs. Nobody.
Say you hate them before you heard them and get ready to be ridiculed - and rightly so.

verb_to_trust wrote:

Heathen wrote:

harmless wrote:

digster wrote:

harmless wrote: 'Just a rock band' isn't an insult unless you take it as one. They were absolutely a rock band, but they were a rock band we fucking loved and effectively sold our souls to.

Maybe people just don't like these songs. Maybe there's not this weird bias that's coloring their approach to new material. Sometimes the easiest explanation is the right one.

Right, so it would be really nice if people were saying that, rather than saying "Obviously if poster X,Y and Z aren't liking the songs, I won't fucking them either. Look at the schmucks who like the songs, I mean PJ have lost it, why can't these idiots see that?" Is this the easiest explanation, that PJ has just finished and everyone else who likes their stuff is just a twat?

It's a good thing that no one said that then.

I might about a month from now.

Strat wrote:The songs are fun and catchy and enjoyable but I, in no way, would offer this pearl jam up to someone to show why I have spent my entire life being a loser about a band...

stip wrote:

Strat wrote:

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

From the same curmudgeons who moan about the new stuff. I did not go ape shit over those two songs and I've only listened to them about three times, in spite of the fact I like them. I don't like them as much as I like these. CC is actually incredibly boring until halfway through. You loved them because they represented old PJ, and all the same people who loved them for that reason, hate this stuff. It's nothing short of predictable.

"Old Pj"

those tracks were from 2 albums ago and from a period where most people hate....and consider standard modern Pearl Jam.

Those songs take chances....

Let It Ride seemed like a pretty standard pearl jam song. All pretty familiar and readily identifiable parts.

Lounge Lizard wrote:

Strat wrote:The songs are fun and catchy and enjoyable but I, in no way, would offer this pearl jam up to someone to show why I have spent my entire life being a loser about a band...

i second that, sadly.

harmless wrote:Semantics is everything. To claim that someone has said something, you need to be using direct quotes or it's moot.

dimejinky99 wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

From the same curmudgeons who moan about the new stuff. I did not go ape shit over those two songs and I've only listened to them about three times, in spite of the fact I like them. I don't like them as much as I like these. CC is actually incredibly boring until halfway through. You loved them because they represented old PJ, and all the same people who loved them for that reason, hate this stuff. It's nothing short of predictable.

And you also like Everything by NIN. Nothing against you, or Stip, ect. But I've been around this forum long enough to know if certain people are really excited i'm probably not going to be that into it.

It's not fair on any song to judge it on that basis. Just because people you usually disagree with like something, means you won't like it? Without having heard it? C'mon