Red Mosquito

Fair enough its just when you are talking about billions of people even small percentage points are still a lot of people filling up hospitals.

Bammer wrote:So … get your vax shot and fuck off with the masks. *noted

Give me a kid's vaccine and a month for willing parents to vaccinate their kids, and I'm there with you.

What are the ethics involved with insurance companies refusing to pay for COVID treatments for unvaccinated patients?

bada wrote:Fair enough its just when you are talking about billions of people even small percentage points are still a lot of people filling up hospitals.

Absolutely. There's nothing insignificant about it. At the same time the data give us a pretty good understand of the risk profile for various age groups/health conditions, etc., which you would hope could be used to formulate well-designed policies to protect the most vulnerable with only minimal/unavoidable incursions on quality of life for everybody.

B wrote:What are the ethics involved with insurance companies?

4/5 wrote:

bada wrote:Fair enough its just when you are talking about billions of people even small percentage points are still a lot of people filling up hospitals.

Absolutely. There's nothing insignificant about it. At the same time the data give us a pretty good understand of the risk profile for various age groups/health conditions, etc., which you would hope could be used to formulate well-designed policies to protect the most vulnerable with only minimal/unavoidable incursions on quality of life for everybody.

Those policies only work to the extent that people follow them, especially when everything has no enforcement mechanism.

If you said everyone over 50 needs a mask, you're going to have a swarm of people 50-70 claiming that they're 49 and refusing to wear a mask, killing themselves and others. So then you end up having to tell everyone to wear a mask, so the Walmart greeter doesn't have to check IDs. And we're all fucked.

You're not wrong, but people are wrong.

B wrote:

4/5 wrote:

bada wrote:Fair enough its just when you are talking about billions of people even small percentage points are still a lot of people filling up hospitals.

Absolutely. There's nothing insignificant about it. At the same time the data give us a pretty good understand of the risk profile for various age groups/health conditions, etc., which you would hope could be used to formulate well-designed policies to protect the most vulnerable with only minimal/unavoidable incursions on quality of life for everybody.

Those policies only work to the extent that people follow them, especially when everything has no enforcement mechanism.

If you said everyone over 50 needs a mask, you're going to have a swarm of people 50-70 claiming that they're 49 and refusing to wear a mask, killing themselves and others. So then you end up having to tell everyone to wear a mask, so the Walmart greeter doesn't have to check IDs. And we're all fucked.

You're not wrong, but people are wrong.

This applies to every rule, regulation, and law out there. Don’t harass women on the street. Don’t intimidate voters. Don’t loot a Foot Locker. Dont lie to investors. Don’t set police cars on fire during a protest. No one should be surprised people push back on selective enforcement

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

4/5 wrote:

bada wrote:Fair enough its just when you are talking about billions of people even small percentage points are still a lot of people filling up hospitals.

Absolutely. There's nothing insignificant about it. At the same time the data give us a pretty good understand of the risk profile for various age groups/health conditions, etc., which you would hope could be used to formulate well-designed policies to protect the most vulnerable with only minimal/unavoidable incursions on quality of life for everybody.

Those policies only work to the extent that people follow them, especially when everything has no enforcement mechanism.

If you said everyone over 50 needs a mask, you're going to have a swarm of people 50-70 claiming that they're 49 and refusing to wear a mask, killing themselves and others. So then you end up having to tell everyone to wear a mask, so the Walmart greeter doesn't have to check IDs. And we're all fucked.

You're not wrong, but people are wrong.

This applies to every rule, regulation, and law out there. Don’t harass women on the street. Don’t intimidate voters. Don’t loot a Foot Locker. Dont lie to investors. Don’t set police cars on fire during a protest. No one should be surprised people push back on selective enforcement

Most of those have enforcement mechanisms. Most mask mandates/recommendations have no such thing. The City of Raleigh has an indoor mask mandate. They also have a sports clothing store downtown that literally throws people out for wearing masks. The owner says people will rob him if they come in wearing a mask.

The City of Raleigh was asked what will happen to the store owner on the news, and they literally shrugged.

B wrote:

Bammer wrote:So … get your vax shot and fuck off with the masks. *noted

Give me a kid's vaccine and a month for willing parents to vaccinate their kids, and I'm there with you.

There’s hope for you, yet.

*hugs*

B wrote:What are the ethics involved with insurance companies refusing to pay for COVID treatments for unvaccinated patients?

Isn’t the government paying the insurance companies to cover treatment? Or is that just testing.

Bammer wrote:

B wrote:

Bammer wrote:So … get your vax shot and fuck off with the masks. *noted

Give me a kid's vaccine and a month for willing parents to vaccinate their kids, and I'm there with you.

There’s hope for you, yet.

*hugs*

but is there hope for you

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

4/5 wrote:

bada wrote:Fair enough its just when you are talking about billions of people even small percentage points are still a lot of people filling up hospitals.

Absolutely. There's nothing insignificant about it. At the same time the data give us a pretty good understand of the risk profile for various age groups/health conditions, etc., which you would hope could be used to formulate well-designed policies to protect the most vulnerable with only minimal/unavoidable incursions on quality of life for everybody.

Those policies only work to the extent that people follow them, especially when everything has no enforcement mechanism.

If you said everyone over 50 needs a mask, you're going to have a swarm of people 50-70 claiming that they're 49 and refusing to wear a mask, killing themselves and others. So then you end up having to tell everyone to wear a mask, so the Walmart greeter doesn't have to check IDs. And we're all fucked.

You're not wrong, but people are wrong.

This applies to every rule, regulation, and law out there. Don’t harass women on the street. Don’t intimidate voters. Don’t loot a Foot Locker. Dont lie to investors. Don’t set police cars on fire during a protest. No one should be surprised people push back on selective enforcement

Most of those have enforcement mechanisms. Most mask mandates/recommendations have no such thing. The City of Raleigh has an indoor mask mandate. They also have a sports clothing store downtown that literally throws people out for wearing masks. The owner says people will rob him if they come in wearing a mask.

The City of Raleigh was asked what will happen to the store owner on the news, and they literally shrugged.

You kinda countered your own point there. If a law is passed with no method of enforcement is it really a law? If the enforcement mechanism is not used... does it really exist?

B has fascist tendencies

spike wrote:

Bammer wrote:

B wrote:

Bammer wrote:So … get your vax shot and fuck off with the masks. *noted

Give me a kid's vaccine and a month for willing parents to vaccinate their kids, and I'm there with you.

There’s hope for you, yet.

*hugs*

but is there hope for you

I guess we’ll find out in about 40 years

Isn't there like 300% more cases than this time last year when there was no vaccine? Do you honestly think the subsect of parents willing to vaccinate their 5 year olds getting the all clear is the point you can finally jump off the mask train?

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

4/5 wrote:

bada wrote:Fair enough its just when you are talking about billions of people even small percentage points are still a lot of people filling up hospitals.

Absolutely. There's nothing insignificant about it. At the same time the data give us a pretty good understand of the risk profile for various age groups/health conditions, etc., which you would hope could be used to formulate well-designed policies to protect the most vulnerable with only minimal/unavoidable incursions on quality of life for everybody.

Those policies only work to the extent that people follow them, especially when everything has no enforcement mechanism.

If you said everyone over 50 needs a mask, you're going to have a swarm of people 50-70 claiming that they're 49 and refusing to wear a mask, killing themselves and others. So then you end up having to tell everyone to wear a mask, so the Walmart greeter doesn't have to check IDs. And we're all fucked.

You're not wrong, but people are wrong.

This applies to every rule, regulation, and law out there. Don’t harass women on the street. Don’t intimidate voters. Don’t loot a Foot Locker. Dont lie to investors. Don’t set police cars on fire during a protest. No one should be surprised people push back on selective enforcement

Most of those have enforcement mechanisms. Most mask mandates/recommendations have no such thing. The City of Raleigh has an indoor mask mandate. They also have a sports clothing store downtown that literally throws people out for wearing masks. The owner says people will rob him if they come in wearing a mask.

The City of Raleigh was asked what will happen to the store owner on the news, and they literally shrugged.

You kinda countered your own point there. If a law is passed with no method of enforcement is it really a law? If the enforcement mechanism is not used... does it really exist?

I guess it's a policy. A poorly-designed policy. So, I guess my point is, that I don't share 4/5's optimism that anyone can implement a "well-designed policy" regardless of how much data we have.

verb_to_trust wrote:Isn't there like 300% more cases than this time last year when there was no vaccine? Do you honestly think the subsect of parents willing to vaccinate their 5 year olds getting the all clear is the point you can finally jump off the mask train?

I'm not certain that Mrs. B will even unmask my children after the eradication of all disease.

B wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Isn't there like 300% more cases than this time last year when there was no vaccine? Do you honestly think the subsect of parents willing to vaccinate their 5 year olds getting the all clear is the point you can finally jump off the mask train?

I'm not certain that Mrs. B will even unmask my children after the eradication of all disease.

That's divorce territory right there

What the ever-loving fuck?

“You told your super famous cousin about my bachelor party std covid vaccine balls?!”