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dimejinky99 wrote:pointless tailspin

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verb_to_trust wrote:Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

From the same curmudgeons who moan about the new stuff. I did not go ape shit over those two songs and I've only listened to them about three times, in spite of the fact I like them. I don't like them as much as I like these. CC is actually incredibly boring until halfway through. You loved them because they represented old PJ, and all the same people who loved them for that reason, hate this stuff. It's nothing short of predictable.

"Old Pj"

those tracks were from 2 albums ago and from a period where most people hate....and consider standard modern Pearl Jam.

Those songs take chances....

Let It Ride seemed like a pretty standard pearl jam song. All pretty familiar and readily identifiable parts.

The idea that CC "takes chances" is laughable, imo.

I don't know what 'takes chances' means, but I think it's a pretty interesting song (a long 5 minute piece with no real breaks, choruses, etc) that doesn't have many similar songs in the catalog. Plus it has excellent lyrics and arguably the best vocal performance Eddie has turned in for well over a decade (shit, I might go all the way back to Vitalogy).

I wouldn't say anything like that about Let It Ride. I hear in Let it Ride what some people are criticizing these new songs about. I get why people like it, but I'm not feeling it.

They're both fairly standard rock songs. But they both have a grainy, unpolished and 'live-sounding' atmosphere and a dynamic sound, and the forum found both of them to be a breath of fresh air because Brendan O'Brien hadn't been anywhere near them with his lasers. These aspects alone are going to be wildly deceiving for RM at this point. It's like seeing an old, seriously hot girlfriend in the street despite the fact you've been married for ten years and, in theory, still love your wife.

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harmless wrote:

stip wrote:

harmless wrote:

stip wrote:

Strat wrote:

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

From the same curmudgeons who moan about the new stuff. I did not go ape shit over those two songs and I've only listened to them about three times, in spite of the fact I like them. I don't like them as much as I like these. CC is actually incredibly boring until halfway through. You loved them because they represented old PJ, and all the same people who loved them for that reason, hate this stuff. It's nothing short of predictable.

"Old Pj"

those tracks were from 2 albums ago and from a period where most people hate....and consider standard modern Pearl Jam.

Those songs take chances....

Let It Ride seemed like a pretty standard pearl jam song. All pretty familiar and readily identifiable parts.

The idea that CC "takes chances" is laughable, imo.

I don't know what 'takes chances' means, but I think it's a pretty interesting song (a long 5 minute piece with no real breaks, choruses, etc) that doesn't have many similar songs in the catalog. Plus it has excellent lyrics and arguably the best vocal performance Eddie has turned in for well over a decade (shit, I might go all the way back to Vitalogy).

I wouldn't say anything like that about Let It Ride. I hear in Let it Ride what some people are criticizing these new songs about. I get why people like it, but I'm not feeling it.

They're both fairly standard rock songs. But they both have a grainy, unpolished and 'live-sounding' atmosphere and a dynamic sound, and the forum found both of them to be a breath of fresh air because Brendan O'Brien hadn't been anywhere near them with his lasers. These aspects alone are going to be wildly deceiving for RM at this point. It's like seeing an old, seriously hot girlfriend in the street despite the fact you've been married for ten years and, in theory, still love your wife.

This totally

And from reading people's reactions to the leak we just rolled over in bed and realized the homely wife who has "gained a few" is still who we fell asleep next to last night.

stip wrote:I guess I just don't hear the dynamism on Let it Ride. I am willing to accept that it's just me since it is so overwhelmingly appreciated, but I don't hear anything new or particularly interesting, and I think Eddie's performance in it is kinda boring.

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stip wrote:I guess I just don't hear the dynamism on Let it Ride. I am willing to accept that it's just me since it is so overwhelmingly appreciated, but I don't hear anything new or particularly interesting, and I think Eddie's performance in it is kinda boring.

Yup. They would've been another two fillers on an album half-full of fillers, imo.

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harmless wrote: 'Just a rock band' isn't an insult unless you take it as one. They were absolutely a rock band, but they were a rock band we fucking loved and effectively sold our souls to.

Maybe people just don't like these songs. Maybe there's not this weird bias that's coloring their approach to new material. Sometimes the easiest explanation is the right one.

Right, so it would be really nice if people were saying that, rather than saying "Obviously if poster X,Y and Z aren't liking the songs, I won't fucking them either. Look at the schmucks who like the songs, I mean PJ have lost it, why can't these idiots see that?" Is this the easiest explanation, that PJ has just finished and everyone else who likes their stuff is just a twat?

I don't want to go down a long road on this, so all I'll say is that while talking PJ's music is interesting, talking about the biases that stop people from liking new PJ stuff, whether it's not like pop music or not liking the band at all or thinking they're experimental when they never were, or any of that, sounds boring. It's come up a lot here in the past few years and it's way more annoying that someone feeling negative about new material, to me at least. And this is coming from someone who finds a lot to like in the new stuff.

It is (and I'm certainly guilty of starting some of those conversations). But as someone who does like the majority of newer era stuff it is also frustrating to talk about it on a forum where there is an aggressive and persistent block of posters who spend a lot of time disliking songs and trying to establish that people who do like them are stupid, have shitty tastes, are too easily pleased, etc. It shifts a conversation away from the pros and cons of the music (and discussions about WHY you don't like something are almost always interesting and entertaining and enlightening) and make it about the listener instead. So it's not uprising that people get defensive when an opinion about music becomes an attack on someone's character.

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stip wrote:I guess I just don't hear the dynamism on Let it Ride. I am willing to accept that it's just me since it is so overwhelmingly appreciated, but I don't hear anything new or particularly interesting, and I think Eddie's performance in it is kinda boring.

Yup. They would've been another two fillers on an album half-full of fillers, imo.

not CC. If done properly it's a fucking gem.

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dimejinky99 wrote:pointless tailspin

Name of album #11?

dimejinky99 wrote:If harmless is losing faith, we are all fucked.

harmless wrote:

Lounge Lizard wrote:

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stip wrote:I guess I just don't hear the dynamism on Let it Ride. I am willing to accept that it's just me since it is so overwhelmingly appreciated, but I don't hear anything new or particularly interesting, and I think Eddie's performance in it is kinda boring.

Yup. They would've been another two fillers on an album half-full of fillers, imo.

not CC. If done properly it's a fucking gem.

I would've restructured the shit out of it.

dimejinky99 wrote:

harmless wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:pointless tailspin

Name of album #11?

So I was right.

We talk ourselves out of liking things.

Group think bullshit.
If harmless is losing faith, we are all fucked.
I'm deleting these songs.

See you in October.

Lounge Lizard wrote:

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Lounge Lizard wrote:

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stip wrote:I guess I just don't hear the dynamism on Let it Ride. I am willing to accept that it's just me since it is so overwhelmingly appreciated, but I don't hear anything new or particularly interesting, and I think Eddie's performance in it is kinda boring.

Yup. They would've been another two fillers on an album half-full of fillers, imo.

not CC. If done properly it's a fucking gem.

I would've restructured the shit out of it.

did you happen to read my suggestions? I wonder if the match with yours. The outtakes thread

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verb_to_trust wrote:Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

From the same curmudgeons who moan about the new stuff. I did not go ape shit over those two songs and I've only listened to them about three times, in spite of the fact I like them. I don't like them as much as I like these. CC is actually incredibly boring until halfway through. You loved them because they represented old PJ, and all the same people who loved them for that reason, hate this stuff. It's nothing short of predictable.

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verb_to_trust wrote:Yes, how silly of me to have some restraint and not seek out some garbage half leak. This band has disappointed for about a decade now, if things were going to be different this time around, the early returns would be reading a lot differently one would think.

you need to rely so much on what other people say and think? Have your own opinion for fucks sake. You've made it your shtick that you have to hate it without even hearing it and seek support in every negative post you can find. Some insecurity, eh

I haven't listened to the leak. Maybe if it was obvious these songs were killer I would seek it out. I for one, feel like you guys are doing yourselves a pretty big disservice listening to a couple leaked tracks before the album is released in only a month.

Again, if I end up liking the songs, I will gladly tell you guys all about it. But sometimes you can see the writing on the wall...

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dimejinky99 wrote:

harmless wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:pointless tailspin

Name of album #11?

So I was right.

We talk ourselves out of liking things.

Group think bullshit.
If harmless is losing faith, we are all fucked.
I'm deleting these songs.

See you in October.

I'm fucking joking, dime. Check my posts of the last two days. I love these songs in the face.

stupidmop wrote:Idk I think its reasonable to see other peoples responses to a song and be able to get a feeling of whether you're gonna like it or not, especially if you generally know what the other posters feelings on various songs/ the band are.

It's not like he said Welp not even gonna bother listening to it when it comes out.

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Think back to when Cold Cofession and Let it Ride leaked........totally different reaction.

From the same curmudgeons who moan about the new stuff. I did not go ape shit over those two songs and I've only listened to them about three times, in spite of the fact I like them. I don't like them as much as I like these. CC is actually incredibly boring until halfway through. You loved them because they represented old PJ, and all the same people who loved them for that reason, hate this stuff. It's nothing short of predictable.

Like from this and conversations we've had in the past about stuff like ATW I know that our tastes in PJ are pretty different. When I heard CC and LiR I didn't think wow reminds me of 90s PJ I thought 'wow! Music I like!'. And unless BoB speed of sounded it I wouldn't care if he produced it. I replayed them about 50 timed the first few days I had them.

dimejinky99 wrote:Every one of these songs are better than CC/LIR.

We need spenno here, stat