Red Mosquito

harmless wrote:

Revelator wrote:I know I'm new, but not really getting all the negativity about the new songs. I mean yeah the chorus of Lightning Bolt is weak, but the verses sound solid, even if I can't quite make out the lyrics yet. I try not to pin too much on live debuts of songs...for starters, the quality is almost always on the crappy side with people chit chatting and shit in addition to the acoustics of a large venue.

That said, I'm not really digging Future Days at all and side with those who are hoping that it's not part of the new album and rather a track from Out Of The Furnace. It came off rather cheesy and sounds like something we've already heard a dozen times now from Ed. Lightning Bolt on the other hand has some promise, IMO, it's a bit light like something off of Backspacer and also has a very Who-ish quality, but I have a good feeling the studio version will outshine the live debut (especially if they didn't cut or fade out Mike's solo at the end).

We'll know soon enough, I don't think it's time to bury the band yet though, haha, far from it.

So you don't get all the negativity, but you agree with it when it comes to Future Days? Got it!

harmless wrote:And also, I don't believe that if a song is good it will come off live. PJ have been butchering their live material for a long time now, and I almost always prefer it on the CD.

Revelator wrote:

harmless wrote:

Revelator wrote:I know I'm new, but not really getting all the negativity about the new songs. I mean yeah the chorus of Lightning Bolt is weak, but the verses sound solid, even if I can't quite make out the lyrics yet. I try not to pin too much on live debuts of songs...for starters, the quality is almost always on the crappy side with people chit chatting and shit in addition to the acoustics of a large venue.

That said, I'm not really digging Future Days at all and side with those who are hoping that it's not part of the new album and rather a track from Out Of The Furnace. It came off rather cheesy and sounds like something we've already heard a dozen times now from Ed. Lightning Bolt on the other hand has some promise, IMO, it's a bit light like something off of Backspacer and also has a very Who-ish quality, but I have a good feeling the studio version will outshine the live debut (especially if they didn't cut or fade out Mike's solo at the end).

We'll know soon enough, I don't think it's time to bury the band yet though, haha, far from it.

So you don't get all the negativity, but you agree with it when it comes to Future Days? Got it!

Haha, I guess I just didn't get all the extreme negativity. I don't think either song is as terrible as some were making them out to be. Future Days is not great, but it's not horrible either. Again, need to wait till I hear a better quality version, which hopefully won't be on Lightning Bolt

Revelator wrote: Again, need to wait till I hear a better quality version, which hopefully won't be on Lightning Bolt

harmless wrote:Yeah. I'm just not sure why 'the first live runs through the material' have to sound worse than the 75th. If you've rehearsed them properly...

broken iris wrote: Can we at least be positive the two new songs were not 2 minutes and had decent choruses?

broken iris wrote:

harmless wrote:Yeah. I'm just not sure why 'the first live runs through the material' have to sound worse than the 75th. If you've rehearsed them properly...

Alas, we are speaking about post-2006 Pearl Jam. Can we at least be positive the two new songs were not 2 minutes and had decent choruses?

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broken iris wrote: Can we at least be positive the two new songs were not 2 minutes and had decent choruses?

you heard them, right?

stupidmop wrote:

Coach wrote:I'm not trying to be a smart ass and by no means do I think this is the worst thing in the world, but it does seem that this new record is in fact a logical extension to backspacer. I think it's backspacer w more meat on the bone

Sounds about right, which is sad because it was the perfect time for them to something else

I really wanted to really like this album, and its not looking like i will now.

All i ask for now is one song i like as much as any of the 2000 and before material.

C'mon soundcheck song.

--- wrote:harmless i don't remember you being this PJ-weary. when did this happen?

verb_to_trust wrote:

harmless wrote:And also, I don't believe that if a song is good it will come off live. PJ have been butchering their live material for a long time now, and I almost always prefer it on the CD.

They are a 'live' band, they always have been. I think its just been about 10 years since they put enough effort in for you to remember that. If a song sucks live, its going to suck on the album. Thats true for most any band, but especially Pearl Jam.

harmless wrote:

Revelator wrote:

harmless wrote:

Revelator wrote:I know I'm new, but not really getting all the negativity about the new songs. I mean yeah the chorus of Lightning Bolt is weak, but the verses sound solid, even if I can't quite make out the lyrics yet. I try not to pin too much on live debuts of songs...for starters, the quality is almost always on the crappy side with people chit chatting and shit in addition to the acoustics of a large venue.

That said, I'm not really digging Future Days at all and side with those who are hoping that it's not part of the new album and rather a track from Out Of The Furnace. It came off rather cheesy and sounds like something we've already heard a dozen times now from Ed. Lightning Bolt on the other hand has some promise, IMO, it's a bit light like something off of Backspacer and also has a very Who-ish quality, but I have a good feeling the studio version will outshine the live debut (especially if they didn't cut or fade out Mike's solo at the end).

We'll know soon enough, I don't think it's time to bury the band yet though, haha, far from it.

So you don't get all the negativity, but you agree with it when it comes to Future Days? Got it!

Haha, I guess I just didn't get all the extreme negativity. I don't think either song is as terrible as some were making them out to be. Future Days is not great, but it's not horrible either. Again, need to wait till I hear a better quality version, which hopefully won't be on Lightning Bolt

Extreme negativity and hyperbole is our style. We'll be open to both of these songs growing on us. For some of us, they will, and for others of us, they won't. I think some people just made the mistake of imagining the kind of album they wanted again. I didn't. So I'm not overly impressed with these cuts but that's not gravely disappointing to me. I'll leave the grave disappointment to my album listen.

harmless wrote:

--- wrote:harmless i don't remember you being this PJ-weary. when did this happen?

Over the last 4 years since Backspacer, I realised more and more that I found it kind of boring and don't revisit it anymore.

harmless wrote:

--- wrote:harmless i don't remember you being this PJ-weary. when did this happen?

Over the last 4 years since Backspacer, I realised more and more that I found it kind of boring and don't revisit it anymore. I always disliked S/T, even though I can stomach half of it. But mostly it's not the music that I've gone off, mostly it's the attitude they seem to give off with every song they write now: this is OK, but we couldn't be bothered to make it any better because we have better thinks to do and we'll make enough money from this anyway. I don't know when it clicked that I want more from this band, and I'm tired of making excuses for them. That said, when I say 'more', I don't mean much more.