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Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 7:13 pm
by Fattie_Vedder
Jaeti wrote:"Hangman in dreamland about to call your name" is the peak of Seven O'Clock. And it's a six-star peak. I don't know how you can resolve a song/moment like that in a way that doesn't feel somehow lacking. But to me that's just a technicality.
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 7:14 pm
by Fattie_Vedder
tragabigzanda wrote:I wish it resolved like Dead Man or NAIS, on a real foreboding vibe
I hear ya, but that would go against the vibe and ultimate message of the album.
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 7:26 pm
by Ms Harmless
Noaheb wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:Vindicator wrote:I think Seven O Clock is too long. I'd have cut the entire "much to be done part" and Ed going all "hee hee" at the end
Eh, this song just always rubbed me the wrong way in general, so wordy.
I want a "much to be done" tattoo eventually, love that part
now thats a bit much but I really like that part too and its my favorite song on Gigaton.
my full tatt, when I get it, will be "much to be done; accelerate the change"
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 10:28 pm
by Lmdmusic
They just posted an empty stage with swirl colored screen as a back drop, maybe a video coming or new single,
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Sat March 09, 2024 10:54 pm
by Aunt_Claire_Foy
stip wrote:which longer songs make you nervous?
6. "Upper Hand" 5:57
7. "Waiting for Stevie" 5:41
11. "Setting Sun" 5:44
All the ones past 5 minutes. 330-430 is their sweet spot on record.
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Sun March 10, 2024 2:21 am
by RockPusher
Aunt_Claire_Foy wrote:stip wrote:which longer songs make you nervous?
6. "Upper Hand" 5:57
7. "Waiting for Stevie" 5:41
11. "Setting Sun" 5:44
All the ones past 5 minutes. 330-430 is their sweet spot on record.
This take is way too arbitrary for me. PJ has a number of great songs that are longer than 4:30.
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Sun March 10, 2024 2:40 am
by Monkey_Driven
Yeah, worrying about running times seems like a waste of energy.
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Sun March 10, 2024 2:54 am
by Rangi Guy
Monkey_Driven wrote:Yeah, worrying about running times seems like a waste of energy.
Energy much better spent ranking song titles
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Sun March 10, 2024 1:25 pm
by Aunt_Claire_Foy
RockPusher wrote:Aunt_Claire_Foy wrote:stip wrote:which longer songs make you nervous?
6. "Upper Hand" 5:57
7. "Waiting for Stevie" 5:41
11. "Setting Sun" 5:44
All the ones past 5 minutes. 330-430 is their sweet spot on record.
This take is way too arbitrary for me. PJ has a number of great songs that are longer than 4:30.
Not past Binaural. I can say that unequivocally the longer the songs are in these latter days, they are simply less to my liking. Here's a sampling, all songs I skip or terminate early:
Infallible - 5:22
Sirens - 5:41
7 O'Clock - 6:24
Rivercross - 5:53
Comes then Goes - 6:02
Inside Job - 7:09
The only song I think I've liked after Binaural past the 5 minute mark is Who Ever Said, due largely to the loose jammy feel to it all. Everything on this list feels over engineered and way too wordy.
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Sun March 10, 2024 1:33 pm
by Anders
Aunt_Claire_Foy wrote:RockPusher wrote:Aunt_Claire_Foy wrote:stip wrote:which longer songs make you nervous?
6. "Upper Hand" 5:57
7. "Waiting for Stevie" 5:41
11. "Setting Sun" 5:44
All the ones past 5 minutes. 330-430 is their sweet spot on record.
This take is way too arbitrary for me. PJ has a number of great songs that are longer than 4:30.
Not past Binaural. I can say that unequivocally the longer the songs are in these latter days, they are simply less to my liking. Here's a sampling, all songs I skip or terminate early:
Infallible - 5:22
Sirens - 5:41
7 O'Clock - 6:24
Rivercross - 5:53
Comes then Goes - 6:02
Inside Job - 7:09
The only song I think I've liked after Binaural past the 5 minute mark is Who Ever Said, due largely to the loose jammy feel to it all. Everything on this list feels over engineered and way too wordy.
Who Ever Said is indeed the best of those songs.
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Sun March 10, 2024 1:38 pm
by Ms Harmless
but they're all good songs apart from Infallible
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Sun March 10, 2024 2:00 pm
by tragabigzanda
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Sun March 10, 2024 3:15 pm
by Thurman Murman
tragabigzanda wrote:Inside Job isn’t really that long though, right? I don’t remember how long we have to wait for the Windows 95 startup sound
It runs about 6:30.
But yeah other than Infallible i like all those "long songs" to varying degrees. Especially the ones from Gigaton.
If anything for me the biggest "red flag" is the 3 minute song that appears on the back half of a modern Pearl Jam record.
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Sun March 10, 2024 3:17 pm
by tragabigzanda
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Sun March 10, 2024 3:19 pm
by Ms Harmless
Thurman Murman wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Inside Job isn’t really that long though, right? I don’t remember how long we have to wait for the Windows 95 startup sound
It runs about 6:30.
But yeah other than Infallible i like all those "long songs" to varying degrees. Especially the ones from Gigaton.
If anything for me the biggest "red flag" is the 3 minute song that appears on the back half of a modern Pearl Jam record.
oof, yep
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Sun March 10, 2024 4:38 pm
by RockPusher
Ms Harmless wrote:Thurman Murman wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Inside Job isn’t really that long though, right? I don’t remember how long we have to wait for the Windows 95 startup sound
It runs about 6:30.
But yeah other than Infallible i like all those "long songs" to varying degrees. Especially the ones from Gigaton.
If anything for me the biggest "red flag" is the 3 minute song that appears on the back half of a modern Pearl Jam record.
oof, yep
So “Running” is the bugaboo?
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Sun March 10, 2024 4:44 pm
by Ms Harmless
RockPusher wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:Thurman Murman wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Inside Job isn’t really that long though, right? I don’t remember how long we have to wait for the Windows 95 startup sound
It runs about 6:30.
But yeah other than Infallible i like all those "long songs" to varying degrees. Especially the ones from Gigaton.
If anything for me the biggest "red flag" is the 3 minute song that appears on the back half of a modern Pearl Jam record.
oof, yep
So “Running” is the bugaboo?
I'm slightly concerned about it, yeah; I was encouraged by someone (I can't remember who) saying it was super heavy though, so if it's to be a punker, let's hope it's genuinely thrashy this time
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Sun March 10, 2024 5:12 pm
by RockPusher
Habit is my favorite of those tracks. I know a lot of you would be happy with a Lukin, STBC or Whipping analog, but those tracks always felt repetitive to me without much room for musical exploration. Blood is special because it brings the funk. Habit is special because it brings such ferocious guitars for the solo (kind of like Dark Matter in that regard). I have no idea what a sub-3 minute heavy song from PJ will sound like these days, but I’m hopeful it will have some real energy.
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Sun March 10, 2024 5:21 pm
by Jaeti
tragabigzanda wrote:Thurman Murman wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Inside Job isn’t really that long though, right? I don’t remember how long we have to wait for the Windows 95 startup sound
It runs about 6:30.
But yeah other than Infallible i like all those "long songs" to varying degrees. Especially the ones from Gigaton.
If anything for me the biggest "red flag" is the 3 minute song that appears on the back half of a modern Pearl Jam record.
Agreed
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Sun March 10, 2024 5:27 pm
by stip
this kind of side 2 rocker has been with them from jump
Porch - track 8/11
Blood - track 7/12
Satan’s Bed - track 10/14
Habit - track 7 /13 or Lukin - track 9/13
MFC - track 9/13
Grievance - track 9/13
Get Right - track 9/15 or Green Disease - track 10/15
Big Wave - track 8/13
Supersonic - track 8/11
Swallowed Whole - track 8/12 or Let the Records Play - track 9/12
Never Destination - track 7/12 or Take the Long Way - track 8/12
it’s a well worn formula. Though Get Right, Big Wave, and Supersonic (maybe LTRP or Take the Long Way) are the only ones kind of structured to be light/disposable. The rest, even if they are light, are songs making statements