Red Mosquito

Bi_3 wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Who picked Puerto Rican military guy in the mass shooter sweepstakes?

ISIL?

Damn, how do they always pick the winner?

Whether this guy was nuts or not, voluntarily talking to the FBI could be a proxy for someone that should not have basic liberties.

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Who picked Puerto Rican military guy in the mass shooter sweepstakes?

ISIL?

Damn, how do they always pick the winner?

The have the best recruiting

Spoiler: show

wease wrote:

Peeps wrote:im all for allowing people the right to bear arms

having said that did they really just lax the process for people who have mental health issues to get a gun?

Yep. Nothing safer than that, is there?

Goddammit. The fucking NRA makes me sick. After years of saying it's not gun's fault, it the system's for allowing this person that has mental problems to have a gun, now they've made it easier for them to get one.

WTF is happening?

I have to say that the ACLU, as usual, makes a compelling argument here:

https://www.aclu.org/letter/aclu-endors ... iciary-2nd

Furthermore, I'm coming around to the belief that mental illness is incredibly overrated as a cause of gun violence. Instead, the focus needs to be more on people, mentally ill or not, who have a history of violent behavior. And remember that violent behavior of any sort more often than not comes from acquaintances.

Green Habit wrote:

wease wrote:

Peeps wrote:im all for allowing people the right to bear arms

having said that did they really just lax the process for people who have mental health issues to get a gun?

Yep. Nothing safer than that, is there?

Goddammit. The fucking NRA makes me sick. After years of saying it's not gun's fault, it the system's for allowing this person that has mental problems to have a gun, now they've made it easier for them to get one.

WTF is happening?

I have to say that the ACLU, as usual, makes a compelling argument here:

https://www.aclu.org/letter/aclu-endors ... iciary-2nd

Furthermore, I'm coming around to the belief that mental illness is incredibly overrated as a cause of gun violence. Instead, the focus needs to be more on people, mentally ill or not, who have a history of violent behavior. And remember that violent behavior of any sort more often than not comes from acquaintances.

Yes. I agree with that. The NRA needs to make its mind up, tho.

Green Habit wrote:

wease wrote:

Peeps wrote:im all for allowing people the right to bear arms

having said that did they really just lax the process for people who have mental health issues to get a gun?

Yep. Nothing safer than that, is there?

Goddammit. The fucking NRA makes me sick. After years of saying it's not gun's fault, it the system's for allowing this person that has mental problems to have a gun, now they've made it easier for them to get one.

WTF is happening?

I have to say that the ACLU, as usual, makes a compelling argument here:

https://www.aclu.org/letter/aclu-endors ... iciary-2nd

Furthermore, I'm coming around to the belief that mental illness is incredibly overrated as a cause of gun violence. Instead, the focus needs to be more on people, mentally ill or not, who have a history of violent behavior. And remember that violent behavior of any sort more often than not comes from acquaintances.

How can you, or do you , square that with the idea of rehabilitation?

Bi_3 wrote:

Green Habit wrote:

wease wrote:

Peeps wrote:im all for allowing people the right to bear arms

having said that did they really just lax the process for people who have mental health issues to get a gun?

Yep. Nothing safer than that, is there?

Goddammit. The fucking NRA makes me sick. After years of saying it's not gun's fault, it the system's for allowing this person that has mental problems to have a gun, now they've made it easier for them to get one.

WTF is happening?

I have to say that the ACLU, as usual, makes a compelling argument here:

https://www.aclu.org/letter/aclu-endors ... iciary-2nd

Furthermore, I'm coming around to the belief that mental illness is incredibly overrated as a cause of gun violence. Instead, the focus needs to be more on people, mentally ill or not, who have a history of violent behavior. And remember that violent behavior of any sort more often than not comes from acquaintances.

How can you, or do you , square that with the idea of rehabilitation?

...when you're deemed rehabilitated, you get your right to a gun back? I may not be sure what you're asking here.

I don't think that "mental health issues" rising to posing a danger to yourself or others are synonymous with being unable to do your own finances, which was the criteria this was based off of. They're doing a pretty shitty job of explaining this, but the finances thing is the criteria.

8-year-old girl shot to death moments after surviving car accident in Houston

Mental illness is the first thing the pro-gun people yell when someone goes on a rampage. Now they've made it easier for someone who is mentally unstable to get a gun. Now what are they gonna blame the next time a Sandy Hook happens?

wease wrote:Mental illness is the first thing the pro-gun people yell when someone goes on a rampage. Now they've made it easier for someone who is mentally unstable to get a gun. Now what are they gonna blame the next time a Sandy Hook happens?

Obama

Strat wrote:

wease wrote:Mental illness is the first thing the pro-gun people yell when someone goes on a rampage. Now they've made it easier for someone who is mentally unstable to get a gun. Now what are they gonna blame the next time a Sandy Hook happens?

Obama

You're probably exactly right.

So that was an adult school shooter? I don't want to jump to conclusions, but that guy sounds like a colossal asshole.

BurtReynolds wrote:So that was an adult school shooter? I don't want to jump to conclusions, but that guy sounds like a colossal asshole.

yep

Another

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html

Good thing whites can't be victims of racism.

Bi_3 wrote: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html

The decedent had (apparently) been declared incompetent to stand trial for a prior charge, and when he was 'returned' to competency, convicted of a felony.

This is a rather strange mechanism of the judicial system. Its important that the defendant be able to be involved in their defense at trial, but whether they can maintain competence outside the criminal justice system is of no serious consequence to the authorities.

If you were at any time (as an adult) found to be unable to contribute to your own defense suggests that you need some sort of 24 hour familial/ state supervision.

This individual was a felon, so there's no legal way for the shooter to have bought a gun.

simple schoolboy wrote:

Bi_3 wrote: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html

The decedent had (apparently) been declared incompetent to stand trial for a prior charge, and when he was 'returned' to competency, convicted of a felony.

This is a rather strange mechanism of the judicial system. Its important that the defendant be able to be involved in their defense at trial, but whether they can maintain competence outside the criminal justice system is of no serious consequence to the authorities.

If you were at any time (as an adult) found to be unable to contribute to your own defense suggests that you need some sort of 24 hour familial/ state supervision.

This individual was a felon, so there's no legal way for the shooter to have bought a gun.

Correction: The shooter is not deceased: Kori Ali Muhammad is very much alive and presumably still not well.

Trump assured the NRA convention that he is on their side, which isn't particularly heartening.

I hope there are legions of conservative lobbyists in DC working overtime encouraging Trump to ignore their particular issue.

Assurances from Trump aren't exactly the kiss of death, but are not worth anything either.

simple schoolboy wrote:Trump assured the NRA convention that he is on their side, which isn't particularly heartening.

I hope there are legions of conservative lobbyists in DC working overtime encouraging Trump to ignore their particular issue.

Assurances from Trump aren't exactly the kiss of death, but are not worth anything either.

I just want the tax stamp issue for suppressors to go away. There's no real reason to have to pay an extra couple hundred dollars and wait 6 months