Red Mosquito

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:B, two posts up from yours she “wholeheartedly” endorsed puberty blockers without parental consent

Fair enough. I'm clearly not there. I've struck the two offending words.

I think parental consent needs to be questioned in a lot of cases -- for example, if a child confidentially comes out at school to a counsellor, they should not be "outed" to their parents, it's potentially very dangerous

I feel like, if young people in schools can get free condoms, menstrual products and birth control, we can ideally, eventually, move society forward so that puberty blockers are included

it hasn't been long since married trans people had to get spousal consent to transition, which is a similar control tactic

but fwiw, in the grand scheme of things that's a small point of disagreement; if B isn't quite there it's OK, the main thing is to underline that trans kids need these and they need (controlled, but not gatekept) access to them

Of your 3 examples, only 1 is a medication, and it's possibly the most used prescription med in the world.

There are mechanisms for all sorts of things that allow kids to seek treatment without parental consent. Nothing in this debate has convinced me that the default should be to provide them without parental permission.

This is important as that threat is real. BUT. How would that work for our theoretical puberty blocker candidate 6th-grader?

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:B, two posts up from yours she “wholeheartedly” endorsed puberty blockers without parental consent

Fair enough. I'm clearly not there. I've struck the two offending words.

I think parental consent needs to be questioned in a lot of cases -- for example, if a child confidentially comes out at school to a counsellor, they should not be "outed" to their parents, it's potentially very dangerous

I feel like, if young people in schools can get free condoms, menstrual products and birth control, we can ideally, eventually, move society forward so that puberty blockers are included

it hasn't been long since married trans people had to get spousal consent to transition, which is a similar control tactic

but fwiw, in the grand scheme of things that's a small point of disagreement; if B isn't quite there it's OK, the main thing is to underline that trans kids need these and they need (controlled, but not gatekept) access to them

Of your 3 examples, only 1 is a medication, and it's possibly the most used prescription med in the world.

There are mechanisms for all sorts of things that allow kids to seek treatment without parental consent. Nothing in this debate has convinced me that the default should be to provide them without parental permission.

This is important as that threat is real. BUT. How would that work for our theoretical puberty blocker candidate 6th-grader?

I don't know, and I don't think there needs to be a public policy answer.

Bi_3 wrote:If it's not in public policy, where do limits between schools and kids with GD exist?

Bammer wrote: Some of the medical stuff like puberty blockers, I don’t know enough to comment on.

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:If it's not in public policy, where do limits between schools and kids with GD exist?

Teachers should not administer puberty blockers to children.

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:If it's not in public policy, where do limits between schools and kids with GD exist?

Teachers should not administer puberty blockers to children.

Totally agree, and I am with you in that schools should not be forced to 'out' kids as some on the red team have suggested, but let's get more basic than that. Can teachers socially transition kids?

Mickey wrote:Show us on the doll where the teacher socially transitioned you