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96583UP wrote:i wonder if we’ll ever get a song as sincere and touching as ‘All or None’ from this band again

or if everything will be sealed in plastic

Strat wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:PJ has been selective about the causes they championed from the year dot, and I find a similar selectiveness in their detractors (what they supported "back then" wasn't everything, and what they're seemingly ignoring now -- Ticketmaster -- isn't everything either); I like their music (mostly), they do some cool stuff ("pro*choice!"), they do some questionable stuff ("mosquito bites!")

Humans are flawed. Yes.

tragabigzanda wrote:And yes of course they’re a charitable band. I don’t think that carries the same weight that it used to

Ms Harmless wrote:

Strat wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:PJ has been selective about the causes they championed from the year dot, and I find a similar selectiveness in their detractors (what they supported "back then" wasn't everything, and what they're seemingly ignoring now -- Ticketmaster -- isn't everything either); I like their music (mostly), they do some cool stuff ("pro*choice!"), they do some questionable stuff ("mosquito bites!")

Humans are flawed. Yes.

I raised this because we're in a time when celebrities are largely supposed to be All Good or All Bad; I'm all about that life in most areas, to me "cancel culture" doesn't exist, its just accountability culture; and I absolutely think there should be people reminding Ed to be accountable (not just to us, but to himself and to his own purported values); but there are other bands and artists and organisations I spend more of that energy on now, personally; I have room for one (1) band in my life that I'm more lenient and forgiving with, and it's Pearl Jam; I spend a lot of my life having to be an activist... and it's no crime to escape (once in a while)

Val wrote:When I first heard Lukin, I thought the song was complete garbage
With time I realized its role and place on the album, and I fully expect people to calm their tits and do the same about Running.

With time.

Strat wrote:Its kind of like the whole issue with the left leaning political side.

"Im liberal"

"Oh really! pfft, how liberal are you lets fight"

Purity tests destroy progress

Homeboyd wrote:I know first hand that they donate a bunch of stuff to be auctioned off for charities…my brother bid on an item at a charity event and then guilted me into paying…so now I’m the proud owner of a Baltimore Orioles helmet signed by Eddie Vedder. I’m also $750 poorer (it was for a good cause so all good).

Ms Harmless wrote:

Strat wrote:Its kind of like the whole issue with the left leaning political side.

"Im liberal"

"Oh really! pfft, how liberal are you lets fight"

Purity tests destroy progress

ideological purity can be a problem because it excludes people from joining good causes, not because it critiques some people

tragabigzanda wrote:

Strat wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Strat wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

stip wrote:I'm working off of memory here, but if I recall the explanation about the expense ticket prices thing on the SOLAT podcast:

1. Yes pearl jam's tickets are more expensive than they used to be, and increased faster than inflation, but they are below what they could be charging and many comparable artists

2. Ticket master does dynamic pricing for a certain percentage of tickets (they keep raising the price to whatever level a fan will pay. So that's where 900 tickets come from, and if no one buys them they go back down)

3. Pearl Jam's number was 10% dynamic pricing, which is on the low end of available seats

4. Ticket master maintains a fan to fan resale (not every artist has this) to support direct resales of tickets with no additional markups

It doesn't make tickets cheaper, but I do recall these explanations taking some of the sting out of that story. This was from a guest knowledgeable about this stuff, but it's the only source I heard

5. They can opt out of dynamic pricing but choose not to

what if you learned that the band didnt make money touring till about 2003/2006. WOuld that change your view about them trying to get some of dat?

Not remotely. They’re all Ultra High Net Worth individuals. And I’m increasingly skeptical of philanthropy as the best way to solve problems, because for the capital elite it holds a tax advantaged line on their portfolio.

How many TVs do these guys need?

I mean, at least two - three i imagine

Trag and Strats friendship about to end when he learns hes about to buy a new 85 inch tv so we have two tvs at the house!

You’re not UHNW though, there are different expectations. These guys have a massive amount of power and seem increasingly disinterested in how they use it.

I’m not sure what the ideal model would look like. Something like the Patagonia purpose trust model id think, where royalties go to a portfolio of green/socially conscious companies to drive growth of solution to big problems. License the songs for big bucks to Hollywood. Running in a Nike ad, with the licensing fee going towards positive impact.

Keep ticket prices fair and pay your fucking poster artists. And stop hogging line time at the vinyl pressing plants, that’s abusive.

tragabigzanda wrote:

stip wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:And yes of course they’re a charitable band. I don’t think that carries the same weight that it used to

but it would with better production?

If the music felt like it was springing forth from some authentic place, that would be more compelling to me. It feels the opposite of that, and everything from “we hired the producer who reinvigorates old bands” to “we needed another uptempo number” to “we wrote this thinking about what the fans want to hear” make it clear they’re not interested in communicating anything beyond a desire for relevancy and commercial success. It’s not evil, but it sure is boring.

Strat wrote:

Homeboyd wrote:I know first hand that they donate a bunch of stuff to be auctioned off for charities…my brother bid on an item at a charity event and then guilted me into paying…so now I’m the proud owner of a Baltimore Orioles helmet signed by Eddie Vedder. I’m also $750 poorer (it was for a good cause so all good).

You want orioles gear, ill get you orioles gear! Without paying that much!

Homeboyd wrote:

Strat wrote:

Homeboyd wrote:I know first hand that they donate a bunch of stuff to be auctioned off for charities…my brother bid on an item at a charity event and then guilted me into paying…so now I’m the proud owner of a Baltimore Orioles helmet signed by Eddie Vedder. I’m also $750 poorer (it was for a good cause so all good).

You want orioles gear, ill get you orioles gear! Without paying that much!

That’s the weird part, I’m from Pittsburgh (Pirates fan unfortunately) so I have no use for an Orioles helmet with EV’s scribble on it lol. It’s proudly being displayed in the back of a closet somewhere.