Red Mosquito

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aurynsdad wrote:This thread, like so many at RM, is a circle jerk echo chamber.

I think that's basically what RM (or pearl jam chat, anyway) has become. There are exceptions, but they're exceptions rather than the rule. If I wasn't already invested in this place and most of the people in it there is no way I would have started posting here. It took years of work from a lot of people to turn this into a really intelligent forum. And it's a shame that this is where it's ended up.


This thread is the personal embodiment of that problem, but it goes much deeper. The fact that at least a lot of it is funny doesn't really change that.

Where did aurynsdad say that?

WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME, STIP!?

dimejinky99 wrote:Where did aurynsdad say that?

http://forums.theskyiscrape.com/viewtop ... 1&start=60

Not to detract from what Stip is saying, because I think he's right. But when are we going to address the rampant, gratuitous punning on this forum? Nearly every thread devolves into a string of terrible song title puns and I for one am sick of it.

durdencommatyler wrote:Not to detract from what Stip is saying, because I think he's right. But when are we going to address the rampant, gratuitous punning on this forum? Nearly every thread devolves into a string of terrible song title puns and I for one am sick of it.

A world without puns is not a world that I want to live in.

BurtReynolds wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Not to detract from what Stip is saying, because I think he's right. But when are we going to address the rampant, gratuitous punning on this forum? Nearly every thread devolves into a string of terrible song title puns and I for one am sick of it.

A world without puns is not a world that I want to live in.

Fair enough. I'm all about democracy. If others love it, we can keep it. But can we try to get everyone to say at least one nice thing about Backspacer?

durdencommatyler wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Where did aurynsdad say that?

http://forums.theskyiscrape.com/viewtop ... 1&start=60

Don't really understand his point in the context of that thread.

Stip, you've got a point, but I think the shit storm you describe here is a little exaggerated.

When new music sucks for roughly 10 years you get puns. Its not our fault, really...

BurtReynolds wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Not to detract from what Stip is saying, because I think he's right. But when are we going to address the rampant, gratuitous punning on this forum? Nearly every thread devolves into a string of terrible song title puns and I for one am sick of it.

A world without puns is not a world that I want to live in.

Hear, hear.

durdencommatyler wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Not to detract from what Stip is saying, because I think he's right. But when are we going to address the rampant, gratuitous punning on this forum? Nearly every thread devolves into a string of terrible song title puns and I for one am sick of it.

A world without puns is not a world that I want to live in.

Fair enough. I'm all about democracy. If others love it, we can keep it. But can we try to get everyone to say at least one nice thing about Backspacer?

I can not say anything bad about it. would that help?


Btw, what was Harmless's final judgment on pearl jam before he left? Was he pro or con? I know it changed daily, but I wonder where the little ball finally settled on his roulette wheel of fandom.

Got Some rips off a really fantastic song.

The pun fests only happen occasionally. I think they're good fun depending on the topic at hand.


Much much harder to do with soundgarden songs, trust me.
*changing titles to include vegetables

stip wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:We've had a few new posters over the last year who seemed to have no problem getting into this board.

It's not impossible, and a lot of them are great posters, but super thick skin or not caring much about pearl jam anymore shouldn't have to be pre reqs for posting on a pearl jam message board. Nor should having to apologize for actually caring about them

I think we have quite different ideas on what ultimately sustains the forum.

I don’t think you can enforce a particular slant on the discussions here – at least not successfully or not without risk of damaging the quality of the discussion that currently exists. For the most part, many of the regular posters here are the same that were here five, six, seven years ago: it’s not as though there’s been a great influx of new members eager to make light of Pearl Jam’s various follies or, alternatively, that the existing cohort of RM posters decided en masse to adopt that approach. It’s the band’s activities, not some pre-determined attitude of the posters, who’ve driven any perceived change in tone at RM.

To me, this place exists first and foremost as a discussion forum for its members; its general tone is, and should be, reflective of the thoughts and opinions of those individuals. I don’t think there’s any basis for a notion of responsibility towards how the forum is perceived by hypothetical new members or the Pearl Jam fan community at large. RM is McParadigm, Lament, BurtReynolds, cutuphalfdead, etc much more than it is a Pearl Jam fan discussion board.

Birds in Hell wrote:

stip wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:We've had a few new posters over the last year who seemed to have no problem getting into this board.

It's not impossible, and a lot of them are great posters, but super thick skin or not caring much about pearl jam anymore shouldn't have to be pre reqs for posting on a pearl jam message board. Nor should having to apologize for actually caring about them

...what ultimately sustains the forum.

retracking Binaural

Birds in Hell wrote:

stip wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:We've had a few new posters over the last year who seemed to have no problem getting into this board.

It's not impossible, and a lot of them are great posters, but super thick skin or not caring much about pearl jam anymore shouldn't have to be pre reqs for posting on a pearl jam message board. Nor should having to apologize for actually caring about them

I think we have quite different ideas on what ultimately sustains the forum.

I don’t think you can enforce a particular slant on the discussions here – at least not successfully or not without risk of damaging the quality of the discussion that currently exists. For the most part, many of the regular posters here are the same that were here five, six, seven years ago: it’s not as though there’s been a great influx of new members eager to make light of Pearl Jam’s various follies or, alternatively, that the existing cohort of RM posters decided en masse to adopt that approach. It’s the band’s activities, not some pre-determined attitude of the posters, who’ve driven any perceived change in tone at RM.

To me, this place exists first and foremost as a discussion forum for its members; its general tone is, and should be, reflective of the thoughts and opinions of those individuals. I don’t think there’s any basis for a notion of responsibility towards how the forum is perceived by hypothetical new members or the Pearl Jam fan community at large. RM is McParadigm, Lament, BurtReynolds, cutuphalfdead, etc much more than it is a Pearl Jam fan discussion board.

Hear, hear.

That's true but it's that exact thing that creates an exclusivity for new posters.

The posters you mentioned might as well be in a whatsapp group together.

I only see two alternatives. one is for people who don't like PJ's recent output to just stop posting here (which makes obvious sense now that I type it out ). It would be pretty empty place for awhile, though. I'm sure people would trickle in over time, but even many of the newcomers post here to complain. Its not as if everyone is going to realize their dislike of PJ's output is horribly irrational and that it is in fact really amazeballs. That just isn't happening.

The other alternative, the nuclear option, is to blow it up and make it not about PJ anymore. Or make it about PJ Harvey, who is excellent and everyone should listen to her right now.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

stip wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:We've had a few new posters over the last year who seemed to have no problem getting into this board.

It's not impossible, and a lot of them are great posters, but super thick skin or not caring much about pearl jam anymore shouldn't have to be pre reqs for posting on a pearl jam message board. Nor should having to apologize for actually caring about them

I think we have quite different ideas on what ultimately sustains the forum.

I don’t think you can enforce a particular slant on the discussions here – at least not successfully or not without risk of damaging the quality of the discussion that currently exists. For the most part, many of the regular posters here are the same that were here five, six, seven years ago: it’s not as though there’s been a great influx of new members eager to make light of Pearl Jam’s various follies or, alternatively, that the existing cohort of RM posters decided en masse to adopt that approach. It’s the band’s activities, not some pre-determined attitude of the posters, who’ve driven any perceived change in tone at RM.

To me, this place exists first and foremost as a discussion forum for its members; its general tone is, and should be, reflective of the thoughts and opinions of those individuals. I don’t think there’s any basis for a notion of responsibility towards how the forum is perceived by hypothetical new members or the Pearl Jam fan community at large. RM is McParadigm, Lament, BurtReynolds, cutuphalfdead, etc much more than it is a Pearl Jam fan discussion board.

Hear, hear.

and it's a big board. But this is a point of entry, and there is a difference between talking about your opinions and gleefully trashing everything you can about the band that is still the board's namesake with an imperial relentlessness. You just may not notice this because you don't care.