Red Mosquito

would it fair to say Lightning bolt was kind of a try for a No Code II? or is that a mischaracteriastion of it?

i kinda feel like that's what they were going for with that one.

I'd be interested to hear what Stone thinks of as a left turn/ leaning against what they've done with DM

Birds in Hell wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:Brutal

Very interesting change in position from what Stone was saying only a few months ago, e.g. that he can’t wait to go straight back into making another record with Wotman the same way.

In a new interview with NME, when posed the question as to whether he sees “Dark Matter” as a career high, Gossard replied:

“I wouldn’t say that. I think it will end up being an impactful record – looking back at some point this record will be significant. Working with [producer] Andrew Watt was effective for us. In a sense, he was going back in time and saying, ‘You did this so well, just do this’. It makes me think ‘OK, we did that, now what’s the opposite of that? Let’s lean in the other direction’.”

Full interview is here: https://www.nme.com/news/music/pearl-ja ... ry-3769205

Another interesting quote:

Billie Eilish recently said that three-hour gigs are “psychotic”. Would you agree?

Well we’ve started to play a lot shorter gigs these days for our own well-being and longevity. We’ve done the three-hour gigs many, many times and there is something fun about having accomplished that and there might even be something fun about witnessing it and lasting through it. But I don’t want to go to a three-hour gig in general.

In two hours we can still create that atmosphere of a Pearl Jam show where there’s gonna be some things you know, there’s gonna be some things you don’t know, it’s gonna have some climaxes that hopefully feel the right shape. We all know what it’s like to go to a movie or read a book that should have been edited. We’re trying to be conscious of that.

The words of man who has made peace with his compromises. We are all getting there.

dimejinky99 wrote:would it fair to say Lightning bolt was kind of a try for a No Code II? or is that a mischaracteriastion of it?

i kinda feel like that's what they were going for with that one.

I'd be interested to hear what Stone thinks of as a left turn/ leaning against what they've done with DM

the songs on lightning bolt (or a record like DM) feel purposeful in a way that No Code doesnt. those songs are more exploratory

stip wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:would it fair to say Lightning bolt was kind of a try for a No Code II? or is that a mischaracteriastion of it?

i kinda feel like that's what they were going for with that one.

I'd be interested to hear what Stone thinks of as a left turn/ leaning against what they've done with DM

the songs on lightning bolt (or a record like DM) feel purposeful in a way that No Code doesnt. those songs are more exploratory

are they able to make such an album of exploratory songs at this stage?
DM and gigaton songs feel very intentional and nailed down kind of

I think Gigaton feels pretty exploratory in parts, very different to DM.

Birds in Hell wrote:I think Gigaton feels pretty exploratory in parts, very different to DM.

think so?
youre right actually..it does feel more loose or unbridled in a way dm doesnt

Going back to Stone's quote:

"In a sense, (Wotman) was going back in time and saying, ‘You did this so well, just do this’. It makes me think ‘OK, we did that, now what’s the opposite of that? Let’s lean in the other direction’"

I think you can see some commonality in that approach with the records Wotman produced for the Stones, Ozzy etc. - it's an attempt to identify the hallmarks of the most readily digestible and commercially successful version of the artist, boil those things down to their bare essence and push a few more drops out of the same magic sauce.

Waiting for Stevie feels like the boldest example of that on DM, which I think (along with Wotman's heavy involvement in its creation) is one of the reasons it leaves such a sour taste in the mouth for me.

If a few more months of reflection has got Stone feeling like it's time to get back to meandering and unfocused weirdness, I'm all ears.

Birds in Hell wrote:Going back to Stone's quote:

"In a sense, (Wotman) was going back in time and saying, ‘You did this so well, just do this’. It makes me think ‘OK, we did that, now what’s the opposite of that? Let’s lean in the other direction’"

I think you can see some commonality in that approach with the records Wotman produced for the Stones, Ozzy etc. - it's an attempt to identify the hallmarks of the most readily digestible and commercially successful version of the artist, boil those things down to their bare essence and push a few more drops out of the same magic sauce.

Waiting for Stevie feels like the boldest example of that on DM, which I think (along with Wotman's heavy involvement in its creation) is one of the reasons it leaves such a sour taste in the mouth for me.

If a few more months of reflection has got Stone feeling like it's time to get back to meandering and unfocused weirdness, I'm all ears.

I read it as subtle push back on Eddie's leadership.

We all like different things, and the things Stone seams to like on the album are more lively unfocused things. He probably really is proud of the songs. That seams obvious he flat out gushes about Wont Tell and React Respond.
He probably knows that they can take away many things from that session that worked, and transpose that to a different session and yes maybe even producer
I mean the opposite of Dark Matter would be Something like Tusk or Combat Rock for example.
I think working quickly in the same room is the big take away.
Maybe returning to Shangri-la? Banging out a collection of spritz folkers and smalzy punkers would be in order.

Birds in Hell wrote:I think Gigaton feels pretty exploratory in parts, very different to DM.

Definitely.

Gigaton is the No Code of the Post Riot Act run.

Probably too much being read into it. He's also quoted as saying he can't wait to get back into the studio with Watt.

sweeper wrote:Probably too much being read into it. He's also quoted as saying he can't wait to get back into the studio with Watt.

which isn't contradictory, especially if they're able to negotiate a new approach with him

i would love for them to return to Shangri La and finally make an album with Rick Rubin.

Gigaton is the best album Pearl jam have recorded post binaural.

By far. And including the new one.

Don’t even argue. You know it’s true.

its much better than binaural, too.

There are days when I like it more than Binaural. But it doesn't touch Riot Act.

epilogue wrote:There are days when I like it more than Binaural. But it doesn't touch Riot Act.

The Geneva Convention explicitly states in sector 7-g that no living thing should be anywhere near the Pearl Jam album “Riot Act”

dimejinky99 wrote:Gigaton is the best album Pearl jam have recorded post binaural.

By far. And including the new one.

Don’t even argue. You know it’s true.

This is 100 percent true if we lived in a world without out Riot Act S%T Backspacer and Dark Matter.

stip wrote:its much better than binaural, too.

oh you dirty bastard i didnt plan for that

epilogue wrote:There are days when I like it more than Binaural. But it doesn't touch Riot Act.

its july..

its summer..

dont even bring up that record until around october or november