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McParadigm wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:

Norris wrote:suddenly it's the conservative opinion that people fired for cause should receive unemployment benefits

Considering I am to the left of Sanders on about 90% of my beliefs

Ninety percent?

My stances vs Bernie's per https://www.politico.com/2020-election/ ... e-sanders/

Bernie has a lot of catching up to do.

Bernie Sanders Views on 2020 Issues: A Voter’s Guide - POLITICO
Issue
Death penalty
Sanders: Abolish
SnD: Abolished long time ago

Cash Bail Reform
Sanders: End it
SnD: End it

Cocaine sentence disparity
Sanders: End it
SnD: legalize it

Mandatory minimum sentences
Sanders: eliminate
SnD: eliminate

Private prisons
Sanders: eliminate
SnD: never had them

election security mandate
Sanders: paper ballots
SnD: use technology

Affordable housing
Sanders: construction funding, rent control, taxes to curb speculation
SnD: UBI, public housing, eliminate foreign ownership, speculation taxes

Big banks
Sanders: bring back Glass-Steagull
SnD: not knowledgeable enough to say but Canada is highly regulated

Income Inequality
Sanders: raise taxes on wealthy, new social programs
SnD: we already have both

minimum wage
Sanders: $15
SnD: $15 or more

paid leave
Sanders: several months of broad paid leave
SnD: already have this

Reparation
Sanders: study
SnD: in favour of an additional 10% income tax premium to fund Indigenous communities

Charter schools
Sanders: restrict growth
SnD; already restricted

cost of college
Sanders: free
SnD: STEM and other in demand free

Student debt
Sanders: cancel all student debt
SnD: I differ here. YOu borrowed you pay back. Open to a one time career funding program that could also be used for opening own business

Teacher Pay
Sanders: boost
SnD: already boosted (starting pay in BC over $60 and goes up over $100K)

campaign finance
Sanders: cancel unlimited spending
SnD: restrict funding to being only from citizens and with a fairly low cap

Felon voting
Sanders: allow to vote while incarcerated
SnD: agree and I believe already have

Nuclear power
Sanders: close down existing
SnD: expand for greenhouse free emissions

oil and gas drilling
Sanders: ban fracking
SnD: pause and study

reduce carbon emissions
Sanders: gov't regs
SnD: gov't regs and mandatory year over year improvement

farm economy
Sanders: break up agri business
SnD: not knowledgeable to say

Farming and climate change
Sanders: pay farmers to use climate friendly
SnD: see required year over year improvements

nutrition
Sanders: universal free meals in schools
SnD: UBI so even the poorest families can afford to feed their kids. Nutrition and basic cooking classes in school

rights for farm owners and workers
Sanders: expand worker protections
SnD: not knowledgeable

assault weapons
Sanders: voluntary buyback
SnD: already outlawed

background check
Sanders: universal
SnD: already required

abortion
Sanders: few limits
SnD: unrestricted, between woman and physician

aca
Sanders: medicare for all
SnD: have been there for over 50 years

drug costs
Sanders: importation and patent breaking
SnD: make covered under universal health, free to user

medicare for all
Sanders: yes
SnD: been there for over 50 years

DACA
San:ders: citizenship path
SnD n/a

illegal entry to US
Sanders: repeal the statute
SnD: entry and exit of foreigners must be controlled

the wall
Sanders: no additional funds
SnD: nah mate, we like you Americans, we don't need to wall just some trusty Mounties

marijuana
Sanders: legalize it
SnD: already legal

marijuana convictions
Sanders: scrap past pot convictions
SnD: already working on it but restrict to possession charges only

defense spending
Sanders: slash budget
SnD: already slashed, well drilled cub scouts lead by B could take Canada

overseas deployments
Sanders: bring the troops home,
SnD: they never left

capital gains taxes
Sanders: increase
SnD: already there

corporate taxes
Sanders: eliminate offshoring
SnD: agree

wall street
Sanders: tax trades
SnD: agree, it is a service and as such should fall under our federal goods and services tax

wealth tax
Sansers: create
SnD: don't agree, do a better job taxing the first time. Open to having my mind changed

rural broadband
Sanders; create public option
SnD: addressing via private sector rules and regs, mandatory as part of buying broadband spectrum license

social media
Sanders: consider legal liable for posters
SnD: between no and not knowledgeable enough

tech competition and antitrust
Sanders: break them up
SnD: tech is not the enemy but monopolies must be regulated

China
Sanders: support goal, change approach
SnD: not knowledgeable but leery of trade agreements with China

NAFTA/USMCA
Snaders: against
SnD; for

Tariffs
Sanders: use to crack down on certain countries
SnD; agree but rules based and not biased against certain countries

TPP 2.0
Sanders oppose joining
SnD: not knowledgeable enough to say

@Norris and @Spike - do I look like a conservative? Lets see how you compare. I will admit that a lot of the heavy lifting has already been done in Canada, so it's much easier for me to support existing rules than push for change.

Fill in the template, gang.

surfndestroy wrote:@Norris and @Spike - do I look like a conservative? Lets see how you compare. I will admit that a lot of the heavy lifting has already been done in Canada, so it's much easier for me to support existing rules than push for change.

I don’t think anyone was labeling you as conservative, but rather commenting on a 180 in conservative thinking on the issue, simply because it has to do with vaccine mandates.

spike wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:@Norris and @Spike - do I look like a conservative? Lets see how you compare. I will admit that a lot of the heavy lifting has already been done in Canada, so it's much easier for me to support existing rules than push for change.

I don’t think anyone was labeling you as conservative, but rather commenting on a 180 in conservative thinking on the issue, simply because it has to do with vaccine mandates.

What's your position?

Home sick with a chest cold. Just got a covid test to be sure though.

spike wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:@Norris and @Spike - do I look like a conservative? Lets see how you compare. I will admit that a lot of the heavy lifting has already been done in Canada, so it's much easier for me to support existing rules than push for change.

I don’t think anyone was labeling you as conservative, but rather commenting on a 180 in conservative thinking on the issue, simply because it has to do with vaccine mandates.

Pretty much this. Surf was the one who brought it up in this thread, but my post really wasn't about his politics.

BurtReynolds wrote:

spike wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:@Norris and @Spike - do I look like a conservative? Lets see how you compare. I will admit that a lot of the heavy lifting has already been done in Canada, so it's much easier for me to support existing rules than push for change.

I don’t think anyone was labeling you as conservative, but rather commenting on a 180 in conservative thinking on the issue, simply because it has to do with vaccine mandates.

What's your position?

that getting the vaccine isn’t a big deal

spike wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

spike wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:@Norris and @Spike - do I look like a conservative? Lets see how you compare. I will admit that a lot of the heavy lifting has already been done in Canada, so it's much easier for me to support existing rules than push for change.

I don’t think anyone was labeling you as conservative, but rather commenting on a 180 in conservative thinking on the issue, simply because it has to do with vaccine mandates.

What's your position?

that getting the vaccine isn’t a big deal

But do companies have a right to fire people if they refuse to get vaccinated?

BurtReynolds wrote:

spike wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

spike wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:@Norris and @Spike - do I look like a conservative? Lets see how you compare. I will admit that a lot of the heavy lifting has already been done in Canada, so it's much easier for me to support existing rules than push for change.

I don’t think anyone was labeling you as conservative, but rather commenting on a 180 in conservative thinking on the issue, simply because it has to do with vaccine mandates.

What's your position?

that getting the vaccine isn’t a big deal

But do companies have a right to fire people if they refuse to get vaccinated?

Exactly. It's question of if the vaccine mandate is valid cause.

Bi_3 wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

spike wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

spike wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:@Norris and @Spike - do I look like a conservative? Lets see how you compare. I will admit that a lot of the heavy lifting has already been done in Canada, so it's much easier for me to support existing rules than push for change.

I don’t think anyone was labeling you as conservative, but rather commenting on a 180 in conservative thinking on the issue, simply because it has to do with vaccine mandates.

What's your position?

that getting the vaccine isn’t a big deal

But do companies have a right to fire people if they refuse to get vaccinated?

Exactly. It's question of if the vaccine mandate is valid cause.

And should people fired for this cause get unemployment benefits?

BurtReynolds wrote:

spike wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

spike wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:@Norris and @Spike - do I look like a conservative? Lets see how you compare. I will admit that a lot of the heavy lifting has already been done in Canada, so it's much easier for me to support existing rules than push for change.

I don’t think anyone was labeling you as conservative, but rather commenting on a 180 in conservative thinking on the issue, simply because it has to do with vaccine mandates.

What's your position?

that getting the vaccine isn’t a big deal

But do companies have a right to fire people if they refuse to get vaccinated?

why wouldn’t they? everything is at will in this country.

Obviously I'm not asking if they have legal authority to. I'm asking if they should be able to.

Sure, you can fire someone for any reasonable reason.

Unvaccinated employees could cause staffing or productivity issues due to outbreaks or quarantine. Companies are also subject to fines for unvaccinated or untested employees under the federal mandate. Rapid testing is a cost to the employer. Et cetera.

Companies have a right to protect themselves against such matters.

spike wrote:Sure, you can fire someone for any reasonable reason.

Unvaccinated employees could cause staffing or productivity issues due to outbreaks or quarantine. Companies are also subject to fines for unvaccinated or untested employees under the federal mandate.

Companies have a right to protect themselves against such matters.

Yeah, I think the courts have upheld this view as well

Bi_3 wrote:

spike wrote:Sure, you can fire someone for any reasonable reason.

Unvaccinated employees could cause staffing or productivity issues due to outbreaks or quarantine. Companies are also subject to fines for unvaccinated or untested employees under the federal mandate.

Companies have a right to protect themselves against such matters.

Yeah, I think the courts have upheld this view as well

One of my neighbours is anti Covid vax. He is 100% work from home. He is looking at getting fired at the end of the month and no employment insurance. He has been paying into mandatory federal employment insurance for 20+ years. This seems like absolute overreach by the federal gov't to deny employment insurance in this case and using employment insurance as a cudgel for public health.

Bi_3 wrote:

spike wrote:Sure, you can fire someone for any reasonable reason.

Unvaccinated employees could cause staffing or productivity issues due to outbreaks or quarantine. Companies are also subject to fines for unvaccinated or untested employees under the federal mandate.

Companies have a right to protect themselves against such matters.

Yeah, I think the courts have upheld this view as well

Except for the part about there being a universal Federal mandate.

there’s nothing more overreaching than an anti vax stance lol

spike wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:@Norris and @Spike - do I look like a conservative? Lets see how you compare. I will admit that a lot of the heavy lifting has already been done in Canada, so it's much easier for me to support existing rules than push for change.

I don’t think anyone was labeling you as conservative, but rather commenting on a 180 in conservative thinking on the issue, simply because it has to do with vaccine mandates.

He might be referring to my reaction, which was more surprise than anything. The only policy position I could recall surf expressing previously was that he favored UBI because he saw it as a means to gutting poverty reduction programs and school lunch. With that and his social issue posts as context, it was the assertion of 90%....not, like, "most" or "a lot,"....that caught me by surprise.

I'm assuming that wherever he listed Canada's current policy on an issue instead of stating his own preference, it's because he supports the status quo in Canada on that issue. In which case, yeah, I understand the 90% now.