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Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 5:58 pm
by HardTI
BurtReynolds wrote:maybe someone has already mentioned it, but doesn't the MYM artwork fit Getaway more?
You could totally swap the 2 song's artwork and they would be equally fitting. Really cool actually.

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 5:58 pm
by VinylGuy
IlluminEddie wrote:
harmless wrote:
IlluminEddie wrote:
harmless wrote:
IlluminEddie wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
IlluminEddie wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:Backspacer had some political songs ...they were less obvious than Bushleaguer...But even a song like, lets say, Glorified G or WMA is political.

Mind your manners is political too...and seems a lot of what he is writing is hinted that way....

Can you point me to the political songs on Backspacer?

I said about 2 or 3 on most albums are political. I don't see it on Backspacer at all, which to me, may be one reason why I like Backspacer.
well, The fixer was released around the time Obama got into office...a lot of people thought it was about him too. It isnt and eddie himself told a different story, but i can see it as a political song too, like mind your manners is a political song.
My point is: Ed writes from a socio-political point of view most of the times. Even if he is clearly making a point ( wws/bushleaguer) or if the whole point is more subtext oriented.
He was more direct with his lyrics during the bush administration, perhaps because he felt it was worse than this one or the previous Clinton one...or because he felt he needed to be as direct as he could to get the message out there.
Nah, I don't see The Fixer as a political song. I know that Ed writes from a socio-political POV. That's kinda my point.

Also, I don't see a need for everyone to constantly harp on Bushleaguer as their political song. Look at Evenflow or Glorified G for other examples.
What the actual fuck? You mean to say that Evenflow is political but Mind Your Manners isn't?

Yes, Mind Your Manners is about religion, not a political issue - like homelessness and how to deal with that. If Mind Your Manners was a political issue, there would be a policy-related to it. Welfare is the policy related to evenflow IMO.
Religion isn't a political issue. Right. Have a nice day, I'm not doing this anymore.
There's no policy-related intent behind the message IMO.

Edit - Other than to avoid talking about Obama.
But he may not be avoiding it...he may be a obama supporter. That´s what i was telling you before...he may believe in him as a president...

or you need Ed to write ObamaLeaguer to know what he thinks about him?

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 5:59 pm
by harmless
HardTI wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:maybe someone has already mentioned it, but doesn't the MYM artwork fit Getaway more?
You could totally swap the 2 song's artwork and they would be equally fitting. Really cool actually.
Yeah I think this is a positive rather than a negative. A lot of the songs' themes seem to be 'talking to each other'.

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 5:59 pm
by McParadigm
IlluminEddie wrote:
McParadigm wrote:Meh. If you can pinpoint anything that the song is "about"....and it's reaching to declare a song like that to be really "about" anything....it seems to be about music. You need a song? I've got some. But I need to know a few things: are you rising? Or falling? I need to know which song is going to best help you out. Maybe you're getting out of or away from something? Or you're angry? Tell me what kind of song you're in need of, cos I've got some.

And, of course, he wants to know if you've heard of diplomatic resolve.....because if that's your thing, he's got a song all about fixin' stuff.
I agree with this.
What did stip say about it? Because I should have probably consulted him first.

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 6:00 pm
by dimejinky99
harmless wrote:
HardTI wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:maybe someone has already mentioned it, but doesn't the MYM artwork fit Getaway more?
You could totally swap the 2 song's artwork and they would be equally fitting. Really cool actually.
Yeah I think this is a positive rather than a negative. A lot of the songs' themes seem to be 'talking to each other'.

It's like a new no code. All over again

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 6:01 pm
by Release_Me
blueviper wrote:
IlluminEddie wrote:
evenslow wrote:First off, I think Ed is hot fire here. I like him when he sounds most engaged, and in that respect these songs recall his performances on Yield and Into the Wild. He obviously doesn't have the voice from '93 anymore, but his approach to these 4 songs is just right in my book. He doesn't get screamy either, which is a plus.

Do you honestly think Ed's vocal delivery is good in Swallowed Whole? Particularly, the chorus?

"Whisper songs inside the Wiiaaiianndd... Breathing in forgiiiaaaiiveneeeaass... Liaaiiaaaf's vibrationnnnss with no end... hear the planet hummaiaiaaianing"
It's not any worse then R&B singers doing atrocious runs in their songs.

and Christina Aguilera mutilating "This Christmas"

Ed's always taken liberty with his delivery and phrasing. Jeremy spoke in class today was made to sound something like 'Jeraamy spokane clahass t-dayyy'. Yellow Ledbetter needs no introduction either. He's always had a tendency to emphasise certain vowels or syllables or change words to fit the melodies. You may or may not like the way he pronounces words but to say this has crept in now is factually incorrect. This has been one of his unique attributes from day one.

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 6:02 pm
by Lounge Lizard
wilkins wrote:http://www.clashmusic.com/features/album-preview-pearl-jams-lightning-bolt
All in all I'd say this author doesn't know what he's talking about. LTRP sounds 90's to him? WTF...

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 6:03 pm
by mastaflatch
Lounge Lizard wrote:
wilkins wrote:http://www.clashmusic.com/features/album-preview-pearl-jams-lightning-bolt
All in all I'd say this author doesn't know what he's talking about. LTRP sounds 90's to him? WTF...
...and LB sounds like Animal :S

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 6:04 pm
by Lounge Lizard
mastaflatch wrote:
Lounge Lizard wrote:
wilkins wrote:http://www.clashmusic.com/features/album-preview-pearl-jams-lightning-bolt
All in all I'd say this author doesn't know what he's talking about. LTRP sounds 90's to him? WTF...
...and LB sounds like Animal :S
Yeah, that

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 6:04 pm
by IlluminEddie
Release_Me wrote:
blueviper wrote:
IlluminEddie wrote:
evenslow wrote:First off, I think Ed is hot fire here. I like him when he sounds most engaged, and in that respect these songs recall his performances on Yield and Into the Wild. He obviously doesn't have the voice from '93 anymore, but his approach to these 4 songs is just right in my book. He doesn't get screamy either, which is a plus.

Do you honestly think Ed's vocal delivery is good in Swallowed Whole? Particularly, the chorus?

"Whisper songs inside the Wiiaaiianndd... Breathing in forgiiiaaaiiveneeeaass... Liaaiiaaaf's vibrationnnnss with no end... hear the planet hummaiaiaaianing"
It's not any worse then R&B singers doing atrocious runs in their songs.

and Christina Aguilera mutilating "This Christmas"

Ed's always taken liberty with his delivery and phrasing. Jeremy spoke in class today was made to sound something like 'Jeraamy spokane clahass t-dayyy'. Yellow Ledbetter needs no introduction either. He's always had a tendency to emphasise certain vowels or syllables or change words to fit the melodies. You may or may not like the way he pronounces words but to say this has crept in now is factually incorrect. This has been one of his unique attributes from day one.
You're right - he has. But, that's not what I'm saying. That sounded good. This does not. I'm not capable of actually typing out why what he does today is completely different from what he did in Jeremy or even Yellow Ledbetter. But, they are different.

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 6:06 pm
by Waverider
mastaflatch wrote:
Lounge Lizard wrote:
wilkins wrote:http://www.clashmusic.com/features/album-preview-pearl-jams-lightning-bolt
All in all I'd say this author doesn't know what he's talking about. LTRP sounds 90's to him? WTF...
...and LB sounds like Animal :S
"I'd rather be.....I'd rather be......I'd rather be like an animal"

"Lightning bolt......Lightning bolt.....Lightning bolt"


Oh man..........that's it, and that's not even close.

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 6:07 pm
by harmless
Lounge Lizard wrote:
mastaflatch wrote:
Lounge Lizard wrote:
wilkins wrote:http://www.clashmusic.com/features/album-preview-pearl-jams-lightning-bolt
All in all I'd say this author doesn't know what he's talking about. LTRP sounds 90's to him? WTF...
...and LB sounds like Animal :S
Yeah, that
He said this? :haha:

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 6:07 pm
by Lounge Lizard
Waverider wrote:
mastaflatch wrote:
Lounge Lizard wrote:
wilkins wrote:http://www.clashmusic.com/features/album-preview-pearl-jams-lightning-bolt
All in all I'd say this author doesn't know what he's talking about. LTRP sounds 90's to him? WTF...
...and LB sounds like Animal :S
"I'd rather be.....I'd rather be......I'd rather be like an animal"

"Lightning bolt......Lightning bolt.....Lightning bolt"


Oh man..........that's it, and that's not even close.
it's... THE SAME... VOICE!!! OMG!!!

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 6:07 pm
by Heathen
harmless wrote:
Lounge Lizard wrote:
mastaflatch wrote:
Lounge Lizard wrote:
wilkins wrote:http://www.clashmusic.com/features/album-preview-pearl-jams-lightning-bolt
All in all I'd say this author doesn't know what he's talking about. LTRP sounds 90's to him? WTF...
...and LB sounds like Animal :S
Yeah, that
He said this? :haha:
Well, songwriting-wise... okay nevermind

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 6:08 pm
by stupidmop
clashmusic.com says about lightning bolt the song wrote:Remarkably similar to animal
Fuck me in the brain

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 6:08 pm
by Lounge Lizard
harmless wrote:
Lounge Lizard wrote:
mastaflatch wrote:
Lounge Lizard wrote:
wilkins wrote:http://www.clashmusic.com/features/album-preview-pearl-jams-lightning-bolt
All in all I'd say this author doesn't know what he's talking about. LTRP sounds 90's to him? WTF...
...and LB sounds like Animal :S
Yeah, that
He said this? :haha:
The highlights of the article:

My Fathers Son is punk rawk
Lightning Bolt sounds like Animal
LTRP has a 90's vibe

This guy is mad as a hatter

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 6:09 pm
by Heathen
stupidmop wrote:
clashmusic.com says about lightning bolt the song wrote:Remarkably similar to animal
Fuck me in the brain
"animal", not "Animal"? Maybe he's just talking about a blobfish then

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 6:09 pm
by Lounge Lizard
stupidmop wrote:
clashmusic.com says about lightning bolt the song wrote:Remarkably similar to animal
Fuck me in the brain
you're a mop :twisted:

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 6:10 pm
by IlluminEddie
VinylGuy wrote:
IlluminEddie wrote:
harmless wrote:
IlluminEddie wrote:
harmless wrote:
IlluminEddie wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
IlluminEddie wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:Backspacer had some political songs ...they were less obvious than Bushleaguer...But even a song like, lets say, Glorified G or WMA is political.

Mind your manners is political too...and seems a lot of what he is writing is hinted that way....

Can you point me to the political songs on Backspacer?

I said about 2 or 3 on most albums are political. I don't see it on Backspacer at all, which to me, may be one reason why I like Backspacer.
well, The fixer was released around the time Obama got into office...a lot of people thought it was about him too. It isnt and eddie himself told a different story, but i can see it as a political song too, like mind your manners is a political song.
My point is: Ed writes from a socio-political point of view most of the times. Even if he is clearly making a point ( wws/bushleaguer) or if the whole point is more subtext oriented.
He was more direct with his lyrics during the bush administration, perhaps because he felt it was worse than this one or the previous Clinton one...or because he felt he needed to be as direct as he could to get the message out there.
Nah, I don't see The Fixer as a political song. I know that Ed writes from a socio-political POV. That's kinda my point.

Also, I don't see a need for everyone to constantly harp on Bushleaguer as their political song. Look at Evenflow or Glorified G for other examples.
What the actual fuck? You mean to say that Evenflow is political but Mind Your Manners isn't?

Yes, Mind Your Manners is about religion, not a political issue - like homelessness and how to deal with that. If Mind Your Manners was a political issue, there would be a policy-related to it. Welfare is the policy related to evenflow IMO.
Religion isn't a political issue. Right. Have a nice day, I'm not doing this anymore.
There's no policy-related intent behind the message IMO.

Edit - Other than to avoid talking about Obama.
But he may not be avoiding it...he may be a obama supporter. That´s what i was telling you before...he may believe in him as a president...

or you need Ed to write ObamaLeaguer to know what he thinks about him?
Nope, I think there are realms of issues to get upset about that don't involve calling anyone out by name. Yet, I'd prefer he avoids politics altogether. My bet - if an R comes in in 2016 and wins, we'll hear more political stuff. I can't wait for more of Ed's views on geo-politics... that's for sure. :roll:

What I don't understand is the fanboi-type defense of this stuff. There's no need. You can be pro-Obama, you can be pro-PJ, you can be pro-Ed AND you can say - "yeh, he's probably just avoiding talking politics because he's an Obama cheerleader." Nothing is lost in saying all of the above.

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 6:10 pm
by harmless
Lounge Lizard wrote:
wilkins wrote:http://www.clashmusic.com/features/album-preview-pearl-jams-lightning-bolt
it says My Father's Son is a punk song? That's new/
I'm positive that a lot of this band's commercial downfall is attributable to shoddy journalism. Everyone writes terribly about Pearl Jam except for Jorge Farah.