Red Mosquito

McParadigm wrote:Why do I solve this shit if you people are just gonna go on and on and on like nothing has happened?

It's like Binaural all over again.

Keep fighting the good fight.

McParadigm wrote:Why do I solve this shit if you people are just gonna go on and on and on like nothing has happened?

It's like Binaural all over again.

actually, I would like to see someone check and see if the notes match up on the other albums.

i LAL'd to this on the way to work today. I stand by not liking the volume in that transition.

mray10 wrote:I guess I'm sort of on Stip's side here, but I honestly can't really follow on the arguments he's making. For me, it's just an aesthetic thing I don't like. Hail Hail just feels out of place as the only really aggressive, loud song in that initial run.

That said, the "original tracklist" had the same kind of thing going on except it was Habit in that spot instead of Hail Hail. This lends some credence anyway to the argument that they wanted a jarring transition, sonically. But buy would that have been worse. At least now the first five songs on the album are all very good songs, in my opinion, even if they don't flow especially well. Habit really wouldn't have worked there for me.

Someone also suggested earlier, and maybe rightly so, that some of this might just be the product of how Stip (and I) feels about the album as a whole. For me, because there are quite a few clunky spots on the record, it's harder to agree with an argument that this beginning is the start of a magical journey. For me, it's not. The first five songs on the record are five of the better songs that made the cut, but I've always had a such a general lack of affection for Off He Goes, Habit, Lukin, and Mankind that the album has never been one that I can look at fairly as a complete entity.

Original tracklist? Does anyone have this?

I strangely agree with both camps on this. No Code is not a fav of mine and has never been. On a recent listen I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would but the tranisitions don't always work for me. Maybe it's just the songs. I don't really care for most of Side B with the exception of PTense. Around The Bend and RM are okay but not a fave. Lukin and Habit are either bearable or skipped.
As for Side A. It's one of the nicest runs of their catalogue. The transition from Sometimes to HHail has always reminded me of the first time I heard RHCP's One Hot Minute. That opening kickdrum in Warped sent my tea flying. HH did the same thing. Thematically for me it works as a sort of flashback in a movie. HH gives Side A a counterpoint for all the reflection. and the run of the first six tracks is great. Only Vitalogy and Ten have a better first side.

LetMeSleep wrote:Original tracklist? Does anyone have this?

Yeah, I haven't heard of an alternate tracklisting being published. Let it on me (us) someone. Please.

It was on a promotional poster and had Hail Hail listed twice.

cutuphalfdead wrote:It was on a promotional poster and had Hail Hail listed twice.

http://archive.theskyiscrape.com/viewto ... =1&t=38894

Sometimes
Habit
Who You Are
In My Tree
Smile
Hail, Hail

Hail, Hail
I'm Open
Red Mosquito
Lukin
Mankind
Black Red Yellow
All Night

Birds in Hell wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:It was on a promotional poster and had Hail Hail listed twice.

http://archive.theskyiscrape.com/viewto ... =1&t=38894

Sometimes
Habit
Who You Are
In My Tree
Smile
Hail, Hail

Hail, Hail
I'm Open
Red Mosquito
Lukin
Mankind
Black Red Yellow
All Night

Interesting. I thought there was only one recording session for NC so PT and OHG mustn't have been considered. And could there be an alt mellow HH out there (like forever young on Planet Waves? or the mythical Mercury/Transience?)

Wow:
bigeye21 Post subject: Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:08 pm

i got these 2 cds given to me from a collector friend (who wasn't all that into pj). anyway the cds are from when no code was in the mastering phase, i guess, and are labeled Gateway Mastering Studios in Portland, ME. the individual tracks all sound the same as the album but it looked like they were brainstorming different album sequences.

CD #1 reads:

Client SONY MUSIC/NY
Artist PEARL JAM
Date 25 JUN 96
Title REVISED ALBUM SEQ. #1

1. SOMETIMES 2:41
2. HAIL HAIL 3:42
3. WHO YOU ARE 3:51
4. IN MY TREE 3:59
5. SMILE 3:52
6. OFF HE GOES 5:59
7. HABIT 3:36
8. RED MOSQUITO 4:03
9. LUKIN 1:00
10. MANKIND 3:29
11. BLACK RED YELLOW 2:58
12. I'M OPEN 2:53
13. PRESENT TENSE 5:49


CD #2 reads:

Client SONY MUSIC/NY
Artist PEARL JAM
Date 25 JUN 96
Title REVISED ALBUM - SEQUENCE #2

EQ CD REFERENCE

1. SOMETIMES 2:41
2. HAIL HAIL 3:42
3. WHO YOU ARE 3:51
4. IN MY TREE 3:59
5. SMILE 3:52
6. OFF HE GOES 5:59
7. HABIT 3:36
8. RED MOSQUITO 4:03
9. LUKIN 1:02
10. PRESENT TENSE 5:47
11. MANKIND 3:29
12. BLACK RED YELLOW 2:59
13. I'M OPEN 2:54
14. AROUND THE BEND 4:35

wish i had a scan, but they are real. i guess the only real info to be gleaned from them was that the band was toying with the idea of including BRY on the album and maybe not including AROUND THE BEND instead having PRESENT TENSE close... just a little informational nugget...

I'm pretty sure there was a number of sessions for No Code; at least one in July 1995 in Chicago and some further recording in 1996. The Chicago sessions began the day after the Soldier Field show and we know they recorded All Night and began In My Tree there (amongst others, presumably.)

Birds in Hell wrote:I'm pretty sure there was a number of sessions for No Code; at least one in July 1995 in Chicago and some further recording in 1996. The Chicago sessions began the day after the Soldier Field show and we know they recorded All Night and began In My Tree there (amongst others, presumably.)

That Italian recording sessions guide says:

12-21 July 1995: Chicago Recording Co., Chicago
September 1995: Kingsway Studios, New Orleans
January-February 1996: Studio Litho, Seattle
March 1996: Chicago Recording Co., Chicago
April 1996: Studio Litho, Seattle
May 1996: Southern Tracks, Atlanta

Birds in Hell wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:It was on a promotional poster and had Hail Hail listed twice.

http://archive.theskyiscrape.com/viewto ... =1&t=38894

Sometimes
Habit
Who You Are
In My Tree
Smile
Hail, Hail

Hail, Hail
I'm Open
Red Mosquito
Lukin
Mankind
Black Red Yellow
All Night

I maintain that my fondness for "All Night" partly stems from having owned this poster. For years it was one of the few tangible connections I had between the music that had been legitimately released by the band and the archive of treasure I was sure they were yet to unearth to us. Seeing it finally appear on "Lost Dogs" felt like a small victory of sorts.

I do not dislike Black Red Yellow at all (in fact, I kind of like it), but I find it shocking that it was so close to making it on to an album. And No Code, at that. It has b-side written all over it.

Birds in Hell wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:It was on a promotional poster and had Hail Hail listed twice.

http://archive.theskyiscrape.com/viewto ... =1&t=38894

Sometimes
Habit
Who You Are
In My Tree
Smile
Hail, Hail

Hail, Hail
I'm Open
Red Mosquito
Lukin
Mankind
Black Red Yellow
All Night

I had this "poster" (it was just a page out of a magazine) up on my wall for years around that time and i definitely remember BRY and All Night being on the original tracklisting, but i don't remember Habit showing up twice.

stonefury wrote:I do not dislike Black Red Yellow at all (in fact, I kind of like it), but I find it shocking that it was so close to making it on to an album. And No Code, at that. It has b-side written all over it.

well the presence of mankind opens up some space for a song like BRY or All Night (both of which I think are much better).

wait, why is this thread "Re:" but the other era of the moment ones not? I need consistency with these kind of things.

And before anyone tries to get under my skin --

Rank the "Era of the Moment" threads.

RE was a mistake on my part when I created it. ...apologies

We are not ranking them, we are discussing

nightmareblack0206 wrote:RE was a mistake on my part when I created it. ...apologies

We are not ranking them, we are discussing

Yes, but if you've been around this forum long enough, you will see that someone will eventually create a thread asking us to rank all of the other threads.

I been around since the beginning. ....

You were at the Off Ramp show?