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Re: River Cross

Posted: Thu March 26, 2020 12:32 am
by falcaoruiz
isn't it called "hey foxymophandlemama, that's me" anyway?

And yes, it counts.

Re: River Cross

Posted: Thu March 26, 2020 12:32 am
by VinylGuy
yeah, who cares about stupid mop and Future Days right?

Re: River Cross

Posted: Thu March 26, 2020 12:34 am
by Birds in Hell
falcaoruiz wrote:isn't it called "hey foxymophandlemama, that's me" anyway?

And yes, it counts.
I think it's referred to as both in the artwork, Stupid Mop is just quicker to type.

Re: River Cross

Posted: Thu March 26, 2020 12:35 am
by stip
Birds in Hell wrote:On what basis does Stupid Mop not count? It's on the tracklisting, not a hidden track. It's inarguably the final song on the album, even if you'd prefer it wasn't.
it is the mystery of the dance

Re: River Cross

Posted: Thu March 26, 2020 12:36 am
by PHATJ
Birds in Hell wrote:
falcaoruiz wrote:isn't it called "hey foxymophandlemama, that's me" anyway?

And yes, it counts.
I think it's referred to as both in the artwork, Stupid Mop is just quicker to type.
It is officially called both things on the original packaging.

Re: River Cross

Posted: Thu March 26, 2020 12:41 am
by Ms Harmless
"Stupid Mop" and the other instrumentals on Vitalogy are the most experimental this band has ever been; "Stupid Mop" has texture and depth, a strange creeping dread combined with a kind of voyeuristic sympathy for the child speaker of the song; it's a flash fiction psychological horror, and it closes Vitalogy perfectly; if the criteria for this ranking was "closer most appropriate to the themes of its respective album", it would be at, or near, the top

Re: River Cross

Posted: Thu March 26, 2020 12:57 am
by Ms Harmless
Matt's toms sit back in the mix a little more on the good copy

Re: River Cross

Posted: Thu March 26, 2020 2:01 am
by littlecomment
Ms Harmless wrote:"Stupid Mop" and the other instrumentals on Vitalogy are the most experimental this band has ever been; "Stupid Mop" has texture and depth, a strange creeping dread combined with a kind of voyeuristic sympathy for the child speaker of the song; it's a flash fiction psychological horror, and it closes Vitalogy perfectly; if the criteria for this ranking was "closer most appropriate to the themes of its respective album", it would be at, or near, the top
While on the subject, this surfaced about a month or so before your return. In particular, check out the 29:13 and 38:24 mark.

Re: River Cross

Posted: Thu March 26, 2020 2:17 am
by Ms Harmless
littlecomment wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:"Stupid Mop" and the other instrumentals on Vitalogy are the most experimental this band has ever been; "Stupid Mop" has texture and depth, a strange creeping dread combined with a kind of voyeuristic sympathy for the child speaker of the song; it's a flash fiction psychological horror, and it closes Vitalogy perfectly; if the criteria for this ranking was "closer most appropriate to the themes of its respective album", it would be at, or near, the top
While on the subject, this surfaced about a month or so before your return. In particular, check out the 29:13 and 38:24 mark.
holy fucking shit balls, what an amazing find!

Re: River Cross

Posted: Thu March 26, 2020 2:20 am
by littlecomment
Ms Harmless wrote:
littlecomment wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:"Stupid Mop" and the other instrumentals on Vitalogy are the most experimental this band has ever been; "Stupid Mop" has texture and depth, a strange creeping dread combined with a kind of voyeuristic sympathy for the child speaker of the song; it's a flash fiction psychological horror, and it closes Vitalogy perfectly; if the criteria for this ranking was "closer most appropriate to the themes of its respective album", it would be at, or near, the top
While on the subject, this surfaced about a month or so before your return. In particular, check out the 29:13 and 38:24 mark.
holy fucking shit balls, what an amazing find!
joostone wrote:Found on reddit:
Hey Foxymophandlemama, That's Me (A.K.A. Stupidmop) original video found

A bunch of people said that the voices in Foxy were from Frontline and an episode called A Matter of the Mind, but no one appeared to have actually digitized the episode. I have found the episode and I can confirm that is true and I have uploaded it unlisted on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R18bky9RRXs

At approximately 29:10 is when the Foxy lyrics start for example. Also at 38:25 she says "hey foxymophandlemama, that's me".
If the episode has already been discovered and digitized then I'm sorry, as far as I knew people have still been searching for the episode online.
Credit where due, from the Vitalogy thread.

Re: River Cross

Posted: Thu March 26, 2020 6:56 am
by Anders
This is a nice closer.

Re: River Cross

Posted: Thu March 26, 2020 6:59 am
by Anders
Still, I can see myself getting tired of listening to it. It has sort of a bleak sound. I know Inside Job has a bad reputation around here, but I like how it has all those glorious guitairs. This never goes to such a place.

Re: River Cross

Posted: Thu March 26, 2020 4:11 pm
by igotworms
Anders wrote:Still, I can see myself getting tired of listening to it. It has sort of a bleak sound. I know Inside Job has a bad reputation around here, but I like how it has all those glorious guitairs. This never goes to such a place.
Inside Job is terrific. I remember thinking (hoping) that it might be a sign of where the band would be headed with subsequent albums - getting more expansive, almost into prog territory. But they did quite the opposite with Backspacer! I do think they've perhaps picked up some of the threads of Inside Job on Gigaton, though.

Re: River Cross

Posted: Fri March 27, 2020 2:44 am
by Porn_Break
First listen....whatever they put over the top of the vocals in the verses fucked this song up. By the end, loved it anyway.

Re: River Cross

Posted: Fri March 27, 2020 10:52 am
by Ms Harmless
the section going into the choir, through to the end, is so beautiful and very No Code to me

Re: River Cross

Posted: Fri March 27, 2020 2:37 pm
by EJ
This song probably had the most improvement in clarity over the ripped copy.

I can hear Ed pronounce "forrrr-hevvver" much better now.

Re: River Cross

Posted: Fri March 27, 2020 2:42 pm
by EJ
armstrsj wrote:I've struggled to get into this one. I would have preferred a stripped down version. The drums are a bit too Phil Collins...but who knows it could be a grower...
Ha, that's a great call. I was trying to remember who these drums sounded like.

I initially liked this one a lot, but it's a little too forced kumbaya. Not sure if this one will hold up for me.

Comes Then Goes would have been a much stronger album closer.

Re: River Cross

Posted: Fri March 27, 2020 2:47 pm
by Monkey_Driven
I've come to appreciate the drums and other instrumental flourishes.

Re: River Cross

Posted: Fri March 27, 2020 2:48 pm
by JuanHamm
This is a terrific closer. I love the big drums.

Re: River Cross

Posted: Fri March 27, 2020 3:11 pm
by Brett
I got a bit emotional by the time this one came on in my first listen at full resolution after the CD came in. Has anyone mentioned the way it collapses into discordance at the end? I think that's a cool unexpected shift that I don't think O'Brien would have allowed if he was the producer.