Red Mosquito

Mine wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

Mine wrote:Was concern expressed about trans people, using bathrooms different than what their birth certificates would suggest, by people in relevant numbers? I can't think of any instance when that happened to a degree that would demand laws to change.

I think it has everything to do with what electro mentioned above (gay marriage being legalized) and with Caitlyn Jenner's visibility--no, really. I think most of the people who write and support these laws and policies basically didn't believe transgendered people existed, that they were just some urban myth or something that existed in a 4-block area of NYC. Then, someone who's on an extremely popular reality show (and a successful athlete, a national hero basically) goes through a very public transition (check out the 2nd post in this thread where I talked about this a year ago), and suddenly people start talking bathroom bills and public safety and the menace of men in dresses in women's locker rooms. I definitely think the two things are connected.

Jenner before transitioning was more of a Kardashian than a national hero as far as i can tell which doesn't really help the trans community as don't a lot of things around and about her.
I don't think Jenner transitioning had much of an effect on all of this in the sense that it hardly brought anything out of obscurity. For example the Amazon show Transparent pre dated Jenner's Sawyer interview and it attracted a lot of attention.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Mine wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

Mine wrote:Was concern expressed about trans people, using bathrooms different than what their birth certificates would suggest, by people in relevant numbers? I can't think of any instance when that happened to a degree that would demand laws to change.

I think it has everything to do with what electro mentioned above (gay marriage being legalized) and with Caitlyn Jenner's visibility--no, really. I think most of the people who write and support these laws and policies basically didn't believe transgendered people existed, that they were just some urban myth or something that existed in a 4-block area of NYC. Then, someone who's on an extremely popular reality show (and a successful athlete, a national hero basically) goes through a very public transition (check out the 2nd post in this thread where I talked about this a year ago), and suddenly people start talking bathroom bills and public safety and the menace of men in dresses in women's locker rooms. I definitely think the two things are connected.

Jenner before transitioning was more of a Kardashian than a national hero as far as i can tell which doesn't really help the trans community as don't a lot of things around and about her.
I don't think Jenner transitioning had much of an effect on all of this in the sense that it hardly brought anything out of obscurity. For example the Amazon show Transparent pre dated Jenner's Sawyer interview and it attracted a lot of attention.

At least in the US, I definitely felt trans visibility explode after Jenner's transition. Transparent is a relatively small and esoteric series available only via Amazon streaming. It has an audience, but it was never creating a national dialogue. Jenner is about as visible and mainstream a public figure as there can be, and this was a massive media whirlwind.

No one is saying it wasn't an issue before, but it became a huge national talking point after Jenner. As ST mentioned, there wasn't much in the way of rhetoric-driven legal brouhaha about it before.

Mine wrote: Jenner before transitioning was more of a Kardashian than a national hero as far as i can tell which doesn't really help the trans community as don't a lot of things around and about her.

Simple Torture wrote:

Mine wrote: Jenner before transitioning was more of a Kardashian than a national hero as far as i can tell which doesn't really help the trans community as don't a lot of things around and about her.

Certainly lots of times had passed, but there were still plenty of people around who remembered the 1974 Olympics. Her win that year (competing as "Bruce" and as a man, of course; despite how impassioned I get about these topics, I still sometimes slip up and/or am not sure whether or not some people are fine with being referred to as "he/him" before their transition) had the same tenor as the 1980 US Men's hockey team--i.e., rah rah, we beat the Soviets, USA #1! It was a big deal.

Simple Torture wrote: I think it has everything to do with what electro mentioned above (gay marriage being legalized) and with Caitlyn Jenner's visibility--no, really. I think most of the people who write and support these laws and policies basically didn't believe transgendered people existed, that they were just some urban myth or something that existed in a 4-block area of NYC.

Simple Torture wrote:

i got bugs wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:its not just assault.Its a privacy issue. If women are uncomfortable with biological males using their bathrooms, that should be respected, and its certainly not for any of us males to say "stop worrying about it! It's not like they are going to rape you."

Exactly

My point is for every 1 transsexual uncomfortable with using a bathroom, there's like a thousand females understandably uncomfortable about someone with guy parts in the same bathroom as them

It's just for the greater good of the number of individuals involved..

If the majority of society was uncomfortable with blacks using the same drinking fountains as white people, you'd be down with that, yeah?

(Let's be clear: public drinking fountains are fucking disgusting; I've never not seen someone go full-Pawnee on one.)

i got bugs wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

i got bugs wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:its not just assault.Its a privacy issue. If women are uncomfortable with biological males using their bathrooms, that should be respected, and its certainly not for any of us males to say "stop worrying about it! It's not like they are going to rape you."

Exactly

My point is for every 1 transsexual uncomfortable with using a bathroom, there's like a thousand females understandably uncomfortable about someone with guy parts in the same bathroom as them

It's just for the greater good of the number of individuals involved..

If the majority of society was uncomfortable with blacks using the same drinking fountains as white people, you'd be down with that, yeah?

(Let's be clear: public drinking fountains are fucking disgusting; I've never not seen someone go full-Pawnee on one.)

It's completely different, color has the same body parts

If it's not an issue why didn't we just have universal bathrooms to begin with

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cutuphalfdead wrote:well duh

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B wrote:I'm worried about my boys being raped by gay pedophiles in public restrooms. Where's my law? Where's my god damned law?

i got bugs wrote:Like I said tho.. I'm not so much worried about the actual transsexuals as I am the sick fucks that take advantage of the of the bathroom rule to go in

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

i got bugs wrote:Like I said tho.. I'm not so much worried about the actual transsexuals as I am the sick fucks that take advantage of the of the bathroom rule to go in

So, in the name of that statistically unsupportable fear, you're willing to systematically dehumanize an entire group of already heavily-persecuted people?

i got bugs wrote:To say it couldn't happen and won't happen is naive

Honestly tho what's the big deal about just going into the bathroom w the based on the parts you have