Red Mosquito

Rip is fucking awesome.

Is it common knowledge that Eddie Vedder wrote The Haves about Kayce & Monica?

That is, at least Season 1 Episodes 1-7 Kayce & Monica (not sure where their relationship goes after S1E8).

I’ve heard this is basically Succession on horseback.

Wouldn’t know. Haven’t seen it.

But I’ll tell you what, trade the horses for motorcycles- this show is Sons Of Anarchy.

I had heard the same comparison to Succession. I don’t think it fits.

Reid was comparing it to The Godfather, and I guess it’s kinda there in the first and maybe second seasons, but after that it changes a bit.

Slowly making our way through season 4. I am now slightly offended that my friends compared me to Lloyd. Not a good moment for him in episode S4 ep6.

I am realizing what makes this show sound so conservative to those on the left who are hesitant to dive in. Especially here in the later seasons, there's a constant emphasis that what the Duttons are fighting for is worth conserving. The show does this in visual ways, like making the Dutton Ranch look like the most idyllic place in Montana, but it also does it with showing you what's at stake if the ranch goes away. Progress would ruin this land first, then it would deteriorate the entire mythos of "cowboying", a way of life with a code that means something of deep commitment and importance to those in this show who live it. If you're unfamiliar with any of that, you might think "so what?", but spending any amount of time with these characters helps understand just a little bit better why this way of life is virtuous. Obviously the violence to preserve it is another story, but the virtue being preserved is, I think, on good display in this series.

S4minor plot point spoiler alert:

Spoiler: show

There's that scene in S4, episode 6 where John is taking home an environmental activist after having a romantic rendezvous. He drives down the road, sees a calf on the other side of the fence, then pulls over and flags down Rip and crew who are working nearby to help him get the calf back in on the other side of the fence. His new lover is all "if there weren't fences, you wouldn't have to do that", but of course this is the modern and the fences are a practical way to keep a domesticated animal safe, and John really does have to do that. It's just the way this all works. He understands the land and the livestock in ways that an idealistic activist never will and he does what he needs to to preserve that. In every aspect of his life or his family dealings.

The world hates Dutton for the above because it's messy but necessary work. Like a lot of capitalism, the product of ranching is consumed/enjoyed by all, but the minute you peel back the layers and see the cost or the work involved, the men behind it are seen as uncaring villains without empathy for others. I can understand how it might be hard for someone who spends time thinking in the black/white dichotomy of our current political climate to see past the surface level in this show, but it's so rich for discussion if you dive into it.

I also want to add that I still love the Texas ranch scenes. God do I love them. I've never been to Montana so I can't speak of the accuracy there, but they absolutely nail what Texas is all about in those establishing shots and the stoic way those Texas ranchers just go to work.

wease wrote:Reid was comparing it to The Godfather, and I guess it’s kinda there in the first and maybe second seasons, but after that it changes a bit.

Agreed.

washing machine wrote:I also want to add that I still love the Texas ranch scenes. God do I love them. I've never been to Montana so I can't speak of the accuracy there, but they absolutely nail what Texas is all about in those establishing shots and the stoic way those Texas ranchers just go to work.

I can’t wait to start talking 6666 with you.

wease wrote:

washing machine wrote:I also want to add that I still love the Texas ranch scenes. God do I love them. I've never been to Montana so I can't speak of the accuracy there, but they absolutely nail what Texas is all about in those establishing shots and the stoic way those Texas ranchers just go to work.

I can’t wait to start talking 6666 with you.

Is it airing already?? or just talk in general?

You all have to watch 1883 first!

bada wrote:You all have to watch 1883 first!

Ah, yes.

I got a nice preview on the Yellowstone episode I watched last night. 2 more eps left in season 4. Why the hell are they setting up more Kayce/Monica tension with the old bunkhouse babe this close to the end of the season?

You know who is a great character that absolutely no one talks about? Gator. My man is holding steady in that kitchen season after season, keeping to himself, making fantastic looking dinners for the Duttons and guests. Where does he live? How big is that kitchen? What does he do when he's not cooking? What's his story?

washing machine wrote:You know who is a great character that absolutely no one talks about? Gator. My man is holding steady in that kitchen season after season, keeping to himself, making fantastic looking dinners for the Duttons and guests. Where does he live? How big is that kitchen? What does he do when he's not cooking? What's his story?

Season 5, my friend. We find out where he got the name Gator.

washing machine wrote:

wease wrote:

washing machine wrote:I also want to add that I still love the Texas ranch scenes. God do I love them. I've never been to Montana so I can't speak of the accuracy there, but they absolutely nail what Texas is all about in those establishing shots and the stoic way those Texas ranchers just go to work.

I can’t wait to start talking 6666 with you.

Is it airing already?? or just talk in general?

Just talk

bada wrote:You all have to watch 1883 first!

We’re all caught up. One more to go!

Spoiler: show

Now who’s going to narrate? Surely she won’t survive, right? Which is a shame. she is one very beautiful person and I want her to remain on the show.

washing machine wrote:

bada wrote:You all have to watch 1883 first!

Ah, yes.

I got a nice preview on the Yellowstone episode I watched last night. 2 more eps left in season 4. Why the hell are they setting up more Kayce/Monica tension with the old bunkhouse babe this close to the end of the season?

You’ll see.

wease wrote:

bada wrote:You all have to watch 1883 first!

We’re all caught up. One more to go!

Spoiler: show

Now who’s going to narrate? Surely she won’t survive, right? Which is a shame. she is one very beautiful person and I want her to remain on the show.

Spoiler: show

I really don't want her to die and I'm not sure my wife will watch Season 2 if she does but it would make a lot of sense and explain why that land is so important to the family over the generations.

bada wrote:

wease wrote:

bada wrote:You all have to watch 1883 first!

We’re all caught up. One more to go!

Spoiler: show

Now who’s going to narrate? Surely she won’t survive, right? Which is a shame. she is one very beautiful person and I want her to remain on the show.

Spoiler: show

I really don't want her to die and I'm not sure my wife will watch Season 2 if she does but it would make a lot of sense and explain why that land is so important to the family over the generations.

Spoiler: show

Another thing. James says where she dies is where they’ll stay. I pulled up a map and the way from Fort Worth to Oregon shouldn’t go anywhere near Montana. That’s way out of the way.

I can’t decide if it’s the actor or the character or both, but Jamie sucks so hard.

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