oneway23 wrote:I usually don't enjoy directly comparing songs from different albums, since each record is a different snapshot in time, but, I'm swept up in this conversation.
Love WES...It was cool as proof that they were still capable of writing an effective rock song in the quirky, nervy PJ mold, but, comparing it to SoF is almost not fair.
WES has some neat detours, but, ultimately, it sounds like a lot of late-era PJ...Manicured and molded to sound like it slots into the PJ "rocker" category.
SoF sounds like what rock music should sound like. The joy and abandon that comes from five people banging away on instruments and seeing what happens.
Good post oneway.
I *LOVE* WES, but SoF does what it does in such a fresh, organic way that benefits it greatly.
Re: Scared Of Fear
Posted: Wed April 24, 2024 2:51 pm
by oneway23
guitar_davey wrote:
oneway23 wrote:I usually don't enjoy directly comparing songs from different albums, since each record is a different snapshot in time, but, I'm swept up in this conversation.
Love WES...It was cool as proof that they were still capable of writing an effective rock song in the quirky, nervy PJ mold, but, comparing it to SoF is almost not fair.
WES has some neat detours, but, ultimately, it sounds like a lot of late-era PJ...Manicured and molded to sound like it slots into the PJ "rocker" category.
SoF sounds like what rock music should sound like. The joy and abandon that comes from five people banging away on instruments and seeing what happens.
Good post oneway.
I *LOVE* WES, but SoF does what it does in such a fresh, organic way that benefits it greatly.
That's it, davey 100%. It sounds organic. Makes all the difference, honestly.
Re: Scared Of Fear
Posted: Wed April 24, 2024 3:18 pm
by stip
Vindicator wrote:Listened to WES today, it's a pretty solid song, but yeah, Scared of Fear blows it away.
The extended bridge of WES is absolutely awesome, as is the intro and outro, but WES just has little things that hold it back for me. The "sideways thoughts" part always clashed imo and the chorus itself is just kinda quirky, but not something that captured me ever.
Scared of Fear on the other hand, has amazing lyrics, fantastic solos, excellent bridge, an infectious chorus and that awesome outro. It definitely has a similar vibe to WES, but they just took it to another level.
listened to gigaton this AM after Dark Matter and SoF is definitely superior
Re: Scared Of Fear
Posted: Wed April 24, 2024 7:17 pm
by Coach
You're hurting yourself, it's plain to see
I think you're hurting yourself to hurt me
I never dive into lyrics too much, but I can identify with these lines. I think that bad breakup I had with my ex-GF...I think I was hurting myself so that I could hurt her (with my words).
So now when I hear this song it makes me a little sad. But I still love hearing it.
This one hits almost too personal.
Re: Scared Of Fear
Posted: Wed April 24, 2024 7:21 pm
by Tj
This is the biggest grower on this record. Lead through the outro really makes me think of Vs as a whole. The intro and first verse reminds me alot of Saves You. The Chorus reminds me of the Foo Fighters. It is there best opener since Life Wasted. At least I enjoy it the most.
A album of openers , not rankings just for flow
Master Slave
Brain of J
Breakerfall
Last Exit
Sometimes
Go
SOF
WES
Get Right
Gonna See My Friend
Can't Keep
Re: Scared Of Fear
Posted: Wed April 24, 2024 7:23 pm
by stip
Is Get Right supposed to be Life Wasted
Re: Scared Of Fear
Posted: Wed April 24, 2024 7:28 pm
by Tj
Tj wrote:This is the biggest grower on this record. Lead through the outro really makes me think of Vs as a whole. The intro and first verse reminds me alot of Saves You. The Chorus reminds me of the Foo Fighters. It is there best opener since Life Wasted. At least I enjoy it the most.
A album of openers , not rankings just for flow
Master Slave
Brain of J
Breakerfall
Last Exit
Sometimes
Go
SOF
WES
Getaway
Gonna See My Friend
Life Wasted
Can't Keep
Re: Scared Of Fear
Posted: Wed April 24, 2024 7:47 pm
by sbhalla6
stip wrote:yeah, you're right on both counts. And Who Ever Said is a five star song. They went back to the well, and that well was full and deep
SoF is the 2nd cousin to WES with SoF being the more successful implementation. One thing I note on SoF and Dark Matter in general is the sense of urgency, the pushing of tempo by Matt, and the feeling (rightfully so) of a PJ live experience. In particular comparison between SoF and WES, WES has a sense of lumbering along, almost like Ed's vocal is trying to push the band forward along with him. SoF has the opposite effect, it's more nimble, more urgent, which in turns give a heavier weight and emotion to the vocal (and incredible lyrics by EV).
And WES is my 2nd fav song on Gigaton...
Re: Scared Of Fear
Posted: Wed April 24, 2024 7:59 pm
by digster
To be honest, they feel like pretty different songs that both do a good job of representing each record. WES feels looser and more exploratory in how its structured, taking right and left turns when it wants to. Scared of Fear is tighter and more pummelling, which feels pretty apt for the album that's coming.
I've definitely come around on Scared of Fear; it was one of the songs that didn't land for me on first listen, but it's probably the most-improved song since then. It may be in my top 5 on the record now.
Re: Scared Of Fear
Posted: Wed April 24, 2024 8:17 pm
by Buby
Coach wrote:You're hurting yourself, it's plain to see
I think you're hurting yourself to hurt me
I never dive into lyrics too much, but I can identify with these lines. I think that bad breakup I had with my ex-GF...I think I was hurting myself so that I could hurt her (with my words).
So now when I hear this song it makes me a little sad. But I still love hearing it.
This one hits almost too personal.
Those two lines are brutal.
Also these two:
In my weakness
Did I somehow get too loud?
Re: Scared Of Fear
Posted: Wed April 24, 2024 8:24 pm
by stip
I meant to flag those lyrics earlier (in my weakness...). that's a great line
Re: Scared Of Fear
Posted: Thu April 25, 2024 12:17 am
by Kevin Davis
Those are great lyrics, and a good example of lyrics registering as relatively unimpressive on paper but really packing a wallop in the context of the song and the delivery.
Re: Scared Of Fear
Posted: Thu April 25, 2024 12:48 am
by stip
Coach wrote:You're hurting yourself, it's plain to see
I think you're hurting yourself to hurt me
I never dive into lyrics too much, but I can identify with these lines. I think that bad breakup I had with my ex-GF...I think I was hurting myself so that I could hurt her (with my words).
So now when I hear this song it makes me a little sad. But I still love hearing it.
This one hits almost too personal.
I'm glad you seem to be in a better place
Re: Scared Of Fear
Posted: Thu April 25, 2024 7:49 am
by Higgs
This just came on the radio as I sit here in the car waiting for my wife to come out of the chemist.
Wasn't expecting to hear this as a radio tune. It is Double J I'm listening too though.
Re: Scared Of Fear
Posted: Thu April 25, 2024 2:59 pm
by Johnny Turner
For any reason its chorus vocal melody is reminding me Hungry Like The Wolf chorus from Duran Duran. Does it make sense?
Re: Scared Of Fear
Posted: Thu April 25, 2024 4:10 pm
by BoltofLightning
Re: Scared Of Fear
Posted: Thu April 25, 2024 7:29 pm
by oneway23
yeah, son
Re: Scared Of Fear
Posted: Thu April 25, 2024 8:11 pm
by Buby
They added reverb to the Stern performance on Ed's "hear the voices calling".
It sounds even better than yesterday.
Re: Scared Of Fear
Posted: Thu April 25, 2024 9:42 pm
by Ms Harmless
this album starts to get serious for me at "have I lost my friend?"
and then "...as if you never left"
that hurts
Re: Scared Of Fear
Posted: Thu April 25, 2024 10:00 pm
by Jorge
No one hears that chorus and expects him to finish off with "being so kind... to let me RIIIIIIIDE"?
