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The album as a whole is way too long but I wouldn't cut down D'you Know What I Mean?. D'you Know What I Mean?

Lament wrote:people who dislike and dismiss them tend to just assume everything sounds like the three songs they remember

Are you sure

bada wrote:The album as a whole is way too long but I wouldn't cut down D'you Know What I Mean?. D'you Know What I Mean?

Yeah. I'd chop at least ten-fifteen minutes off the album by editing down the lengths of All Around the World, Fade In-Out, The Girl in the Dirty Shirt, and Magic Pie

theplatypus wrote:

Lament wrote:people who dislike and dismiss them tend to just assume everything sounds like the three songs they remember

Are you sure

I hope. I think. I Know.

Lament wrote:Oasis had as much stylistic variation in their career as Pearl Jam did. But (not unlike Pearl Jam), people who dislike and dismiss them tend to just assume everything sounds like the three songs they remember and latch onto really insipid and lazy criticisms because at a certain point no one bothers to actually think about whether or not they're accurate.

Yeah, I had an unfortunate feeling you'd reply with that, and I agree to some extent. But I disliked almost everything about the Oasis aesthetic, band members, etc. In contrast, everything about Pearl Jam and the Seattle scene was what I lived for at the time. I don't agree that PJ had a single influence or glorified sound that they repeated over and over again (The Who, possibly) to the same extent that Oasis did (The Beatles).

As for Blur, they were almost definitely influential in my preference for The Kinks over The Beatles.

harmless wrote:I don't agree that PJ had a single influence or glorified sound that they repeated over and over again (The Who, possibly) to the same extent that Oasis did (The Beatles).

I love you harmless, but the whole Oasis aping The Beatles thing is the most overblown perception in all of modern alternative music. There's as much Stones/Kinks/Who/T. Rex/Jam/Sex Pistols/Smiths/Stone Roses in their actual sound as there is the Beatles. If Noel Gallagher weren't the most outspoken Beatles fan on the planet the Oasis/Beatles thing would have never had the legs that it did.

Lament wrote:

harmless wrote:I don't agree that PJ had a single influence or glorified sound that they repeated over and over again (The Who, possibly) to the same extent that Oasis did (The Beatles).

I love you harmless, but the whole Oasis aping The Beatles thing is the most overblown perception in all of modern alternative music.

I think THAT is the most overblown perception in all of modern alternative music. Unfortunately, the out of proportion love of The Beatles led them to ape the Beatles at every given opportunity. It would be naive of me to say that they had no other influences at all, but that wouldn't contradict my overall point.

It might help you to know that I just detest Northern Soul / Baggy in general. I don't like it, or many of its influences.

harmless wrote:

Lament wrote:

harmless wrote:I don't agree that PJ had a single influence or glorified sound that they repeated over and over again (The Who, possibly) to the same extent that Oasis did (The Beatles).

I love you harmless, but the whole Oasis aping The Beatles thing is the most overblown perception in all of modern alternative music.

I think THAT is the most overblown perception in all of modern alternative music. Unfortunately, the out of proportion love of The Beatles led them to ape the Beatles at every given opportunity. It would be naive of me to say that they had no other influences at all, but that wouldn't contradict my overall point.

Blur aped the Beatles more on Modern Life is Rubbish/Parklife/The Great Escape than Oasis did at any point in their entire career. Oasis at their very core was a noisy, unhinged guitar rock band in the tradition of The Stones/T. Rex/The Sex Pistols more than anything else. It's funny, when you go back and read their early press reviews, no one ever mentions the Beatles but they're constantly compared to those three bands. Then Noel starts professing his for the Beatles and suddenly the laziest critical cliche of its generation is born.

harmless wrote:It might help you to know that I just detest Northern Soul / Baggy in general. I don't like it, or many of its influences.

Are you one of those people who just hates all Northerners? Cause I've met a lot of Northerners who just hate all Southerners, and I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Seriously harmless don't be that guy likening Oasis to The Beatles. Just don't.

I don't think the comparison is as overblown as you say it is, but I do agree that Blur also took some pages from the Beatles book. But I found Blur much more diverse, and far less arrogant, with more to show for it. I don't think Oasis' arrogance was endearing in the slightest, but it was absolutely central. And so it is with Northern Soul / Baggy in general. The "Simian Stroll" etc. It just doesn't do anything for me. I felt that Blur had more variation and progression in their sound, especially from album to album, as well as a healthy dose of self-mockery, a trademark of my favourite English music. I liked my arrogance and self-obsession when it was American.

Incidentally, I don't like The Stones or the Sex Pistols either. And speaking of Northern Soul / Baggy, I don't get the love for the Stone Roses.

Lament wrote:

harmless wrote:It might help you to know that I just detest Northern Soul / Baggy in general. I don't like it, or many of its influences.

Are you one of those people who just hates all Northerners? Cause I've met a lot of Northerners who just hate all Southerners, and I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop.

No, I've got friends from the North. I just don't like their music much.

I had on ongoing argument with my friend when I was over there last year about who was responsible for more good music, the North or the South.

Soma. wrote:Seriously harmless don't be that guy likening Oasis to The Beatles. Just don't.

Too late, I did I admitted, though, that Brit Pop in general owes a lot to them.

Lament wrote:I had on ongoing argument with my friend when I was over there last year about who was responsible for more good music, the North or the South.

I've never had a hard-and-fast rule about it. I don't think it's to do with a North / South divide any more than it is to do with a specific style of music that just happened to come from the North, which I don't like.

Pretty hard to believe more people haven't mentioned Soundgarden's BMF > superunknown > DOTU
I think they had a better 3 album run than any combination of PJ albums

As an American I'm just more amused by the animosity between the North and the South in a country that seems too small to legitimately have a North/South divide.

English people will fight about pretty much anything, if given the opportunity. In the South, we call it a "duel".