Re: RANK THE ALBUMS
Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 12:31 am
I would have made Stupid Mop a hidden track myself.
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Re: RANK THE ALBUMS
Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 1:26 am
that would have been better. It would have been a lot cooler as a 'discovery' or something that comes out of nowhere
Re: RANK THE ALBUMS
Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 2:49 am
Vitalogy
No Code
Ten
Yield
Binaural
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No Code
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Re: RANK THE ALBUMS
Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 2:52 am
Oy.Stip wrote:the only one I would actively seek out is Bugs. Aye Davanita is a nice little instrumental but I don't usually feel the need to hear it. Pry. To is not an inappropriate introduction to Corduroy, although it isn't necessary either. I never want to listen to stupid mop, but I can see how it fits and what they wanted to do with it. and on occasion I can see why Angus has the appreciation for it that he does. It came on a random shuffle the other day and when you go into it fresh it can be powerful.
Plus I don't really think of stupid mop as a song. So the fact that I don't enjoy it doesn't matter as much. And it's at the end of the album so I can ignore it. I can always stop no code at present tense but it feels like cheating in a way skipping stupid mop doesn't. It's also 3 songs, where stupid mop is just one track (albeit a long one)
Re: RANK THE ALBUMS
Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 2:59 am
It's not that the first 3 bother me...I even enjoy them; however, they're far from necessary. I also don't think Bugs is all that clever. And I like the albums with those little weird "experimental songs". But I think it's more of the mindset the band was in on those albums (more adventurous) and willing to stretch and open up their songwriting that makes me enjoy the albums with the quirky tracks on them than the inclusion of said quirky tracks. Again, they're all pretty unnecessary but I loved the headspace the band was in making them.cutuphalfdead wrote:No he's not.Gods' Die wrote:I think you're vastly overrating the "experimental" tracks on Vitalogy. Fucking Stupid Mop, come on.
Re: RANK THE ALBUMS
Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 4:35 am
Honestly, there's not one thing I dislike about Vitalogy. Not one song I don't think is vital to the album. Not a single track that I skip.
Re: RANK THE ALBUMS
Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 4:36 am
durdencommatyler wrote:Honestly, there's not one thing I dislike about Vitalogy. Not one song I don't think is vital to the album. Not a single track that I skip.
Re: RANK THE ALBUMS
Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 5:26 am
I like the music to "Stupid Mop" as a kind of crackpot studio experiment, but those therapy session voice-overs ruin it for me.
Re: RANK THE ALBUMS
Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 7:04 am
for me, it's all I want so muchKevin Davis wrote:I like the music to "Stupid Mop" as a kind of crackpot studio experiment, but those therapy session voice-overs ruin it for me.
Re: RANK THE ALBUMS
Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 7:08 am
Vs
Avocado
Riot Act
Binaural
Yield
Ten
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No Code
Vitalogy
Pearl Jam only has 9 albums? I still have to get No Code & Vitalogy. . .
Avocado
Riot Act
Binaural
Yield
Ten
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Vitalogy
Pearl Jam only has 9 albums? I still have to get No Code & Vitalogy. . .
Re: RANK THE ALBUMS
Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 12:54 pm
besides trying to be dismissive without actually having to make a point, what are you actually disagreeing with here?Gods' Die wrote:Oy.Stip wrote:the only one I would actively seek out is Bugs. Aye Davanita is a nice little instrumental but I don't usually feel the need to hear it. Pry. To is not an inappropriate introduction to Corduroy, although it isn't necessary either. I never want to listen to stupid mop, but I can see how it fits and what they wanted to do with it. and on occasion I can see why Angus has the appreciation for it that he does. It came on a random shuffle the other day and when you go into it fresh it can be powerful.
Plus I don't really think of stupid mop as a song. So the fact that I don't enjoy it doesn't matter as much. And it's at the end of the album so I can ignore it. I can always stop no code at present tense but it feels like cheating in a way skipping stupid mop doesn't. It's also 3 songs, where stupid mop is just one track (albeit a long one)
Re: RANK THE ALBUMS
Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 1:08 pm
Vitalogy
Ten
Vs
Yield
Binaural
No Code
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Riot Act
Ten
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Re: RANK THE ALBUMS
Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 1:39 pm
Exasperated would be closer to the mood of the response than dismissive. And I know arguing opinions isn't worth much so I just said "Oy." I personally think it's ridiculous the way you dismiss the shit on Vitalogy and will write off No Code because of what I see as the exact same issues. They're all songs, not particularly worth much, and I'm Open and Mankind don't seem like they're supposed to be any more canonical than Bugs or Pry, To. So how those 2 detract from your listening experience and Stupid Mop and the like don't is some strange bit of psychology that doesn't stand in my way of loving what came before on No Code.Stip wrote:besides trying to be dismissive without actually having to make a point, what are you actually disagreeing with here?Gods' Die wrote:Oy.Stip wrote:the only one I would actively seek out is Bugs. Aye Davanita is a nice little instrumental but I don't usually feel the need to hear it. Pry. To is not an inappropriate introduction to Corduroy, although it isn't necessary either. I never want to listen to stupid mop, but I can see how it fits and what they wanted to do with it. and on occasion I can see why Angus has the appreciation for it that he does. It came on a random shuffle the other day and when you go into it fresh it can be powerful.
Plus I don't really think of stupid mop as a song. So the fact that I don't enjoy it doesn't matter as much. And it's at the end of the album so I can ignore it. I can always stop no code at present tense but it feels like cheating in a way skipping stupid mop doesn't. It's also 3 songs, where stupid mop is just one track (albeit a long one)
But like I said it's opinions and preferences, therefore I didn't think it was worth it, as well as you also mentioning you enjoyed No Code regardless.
Re: RANK THE ALBUMS
Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 2:02 pm
I understand where Stip is coming from in not considering "Stupid Mop" a song. As "song" is technically a variant of "sing," the pedant in me always feels a tad disingenuous labeling unsung musical pieces (i.e. a noise collage) as such--I usually go for vaguer terms like "piece," "track," "composition," or even "tune," though that wouldn't really be applicable to "Stupid Mop" either. Which isn't to say the label automatically renders it a lesser piece of art, of course, just that I can understand it not occupying the same space in one's mind.
Re: RANK THE ALBUMS
Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 2:07 pm
I'm mostly talking about the other 3 which I do listen to, and have no problem doing so when I'm listening to it as an album...outside discussing Stupid Mop on this board I barely recognize its existence; Vitalogy effectively ends for me after Immortality. All the others (on both V & NC) are essentially the same to me though, that was the point I was trying to make.Kevin Davis wrote:I understand where Stip is coming from in not considering "Stupid Mop" a song. As "song" is technically a variant of "sing," the pedant in me always feels a tad disingenuous labeling unsung musical pieces (i.e. a noise collage) as such--I usually go for vaguer terms like "piece," "track," "composition," or even "tune," though that wouldn't really be applicable to "Stupid Mop" either. Which isn't to say the label automatically renders it a lesser piece of art, of course, just that I can understand it not occupying the same space in one's mind.
Re: RANK THE ALBUMS
Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 2:17 pm
Definitely. I wasn't responding to you, necessarily, just running with what Stip said.
Here's what I had to say about Vitalogy in the LAL thread, which is pretty indicative of how I take the album:
Here's what I had to say about Vitalogy in the LAL thread, which is pretty indicative of how I take the album:
Kevin Davis wrote:I've been listening to a few '93-'94 shows, and it's interesting how much of Vitalogy appeared at these shows, some of which were well over a year before the album's release. "Whipping" and "Better Man" even showed up at Slim's in May '93, which was even earlier. Especially considering how old we know "Better Man" is, and what we know about the lack of cooperative creativity in the band at this time, I tend to think that Vitalogy was a sort of "spare parts" album, and that those artsy interlude tracks might have been a way of corralling together a bunch of songs that weren't necessarily written to go together. With the exception of "Bugs," which may or may not be any good, but is still enough of a "song" to transcend the category that "Pry, To" and "Aye Davanita" belong to, I don't necessarily love any of those tracks on their own, but they do tie the songs together in their own strange way--it's less a "beautifully wrapped package" type thing and more a "held together with wads of chewing gum" type thing, but it's still part of what makes it tick. I understand finding them extraneous, and I kind of agree that they are, but I don't think the ten "songs" that make up Vitalogy would necessarily cohere terribly well without them.
Re: RANK THE ALBUMS
Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 3:29 pm
I'm not trying to be a brat or whatever, but can someone explain to me what makes Aye Davanita (and Bugs, for that matter) any less of a song than Last Exit (or Satan's Bed, for that matter)?
I'll give you Pry, To only because it's a fragment. I'll disagree, but I'll still give it to you without a fight. Of course, Stupid Mop is it's own thing. I understand the reluctance to call that a song or whatever.
I'll give you Pry, To only because it's a fragment. I'll disagree, but I'll still give it to you without a fight. Of course, Stupid Mop is it's own thing. I understand the reluctance to call that a song or whatever.
Re: RANK THE ALBUMS
Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 3:42 pm
Gods' Die wrote:Exasperated would be closer to the mood of the response than dismissive. And I know arguing opinions isn't worth much so I just said "Oy." I personally think it's ridiculous the way you dismiss the shit on Vitalogy and will write off No Code because of what I see as the exact same issues. They're all songs, not particularly worth much, and I'm Open and Mankind don't seem like they're supposed to be any more canonical than Bugs or Pry, To. So how those 2 detract from your listening experience and Stupid Mop and the like don't is some strange bit of psychology that doesn't stand in my way of loving what came before on No Code.Stip wrote:besides trying to be dismissive without actually having to make a point, what are you actually disagreeing with here?Gods' Die wrote:Oy.Stip wrote:the only one I would actively seek out is Bugs. Aye Davanita is a nice little instrumental but I don't usually feel the need to hear it. Pry. To is not an inappropriate introduction to Corduroy, although it isn't necessary either. I never want to listen to stupid mop, but I can see how it fits and what they wanted to do with it. and on occasion I can see why Angus has the appreciation for it that he does. It came on a random shuffle the other day and when you go into it fresh it can be powerful.
Plus I don't really think of stupid mop as a song. So the fact that I don't enjoy it doesn't matter as much. And it's at the end of the album so I can ignore it. I can always stop no code at present tense but it feels like cheating in a way skipping stupid mop doesn't. It's also 3 songs, where stupid mop is just one track (albeit a long one)
But like I said it's opinions and preferences, therefore I didn't think it was worth it, as well as you also mentioning you enjoyed No Code regardless.
aren't we here to talk about our opinions and preferences? Whether or not it was your intention, comments like yours are dismissive. When people write something directed at you it is respectful to respond. If you have nothing to add then something like fair enough is certainly preferable to oy, which indicates that 'I disagree, find your opinion foolish, and don't deem it worth my time to respond to you.'
TL,DR is also a pet peeve of mine.
Re: RANK THE ALBUMS
Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 3:48 pm
Well Aye Davanita is basically an instrumental. If pearl jam wrote more of them, or more aggressively incorporated them into their albums, I'd be more inclined to think of it as a song. Instead it feels more like a long link or an intermission.durdencommatyler wrote:I'm not trying to be a brat or whatever, but can someone explain to me what makes Aye Davanita (and Bugs, for that matter) any less of a song than Last Exit (or Satan's Bed, for that matter)?
I'll give you Pry, To only because it's a fragment. I'll disagree, but I'll still give it to you without a fight. Of course, Stupid Mop is it's own thing. I understand the reluctance to call that a song or whatever.
I guess I'd have to consider Bugs a song, if I'm being honest (and I like bugs, even though I wouldn't listen to it unless it came on randomly or I was working through the album. It's an abrasive performance art piece that isn't necessarily enjoyable)
I guess I'd say this, with the caveat that all these distinctions may be somewhat arbitrary. The vitalogy pieces are probably not meant to be listened to on their own. They are linking pieces, meant to tie fuller songs to each other and to the concept of the album more fully. I don't think any of them were ever written with the intention of standing alone. Whereas even more unusual pieces, like Soon Forget, are still able to exist independently of their album.
Re: RANK THE ALBUMS
Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 3:50 pm
I explained that my intention wasn't to be dismissive and went on to explain myself. I'd have no problem with someone saying "Oy." to me so I was trying to use the golden rule.Stip wrote:Gods' Die wrote:Exasperated would be closer to the mood of the response than dismissive. And I know arguing opinions isn't worth much so I just said "Oy." I personally think it's ridiculous the way you dismiss the shit on Vitalogy and will write off No Code because of what I see as the exact same issues. They're all songs, not particularly worth much, and I'm Open and Mankind don't seem like they're supposed to be any more canonical than Bugs or Pry, To. So how those 2 detract from your listening experience and Stupid Mop and the like don't is some strange bit of psychology that doesn't stand in my way of loving what came before on No Code.Stip wrote:besides trying to be dismissive without actually having to make a point, what are you actually disagreeing with here?Gods' Die wrote:Oy.Stip wrote:the only one I would actively seek out is Bugs. Aye Davanita is a nice little instrumental but I don't usually feel the need to hear it. Pry. To is not an inappropriate introduction to Corduroy, although it isn't necessary either. I never want to listen to stupid mop, but I can see how it fits and what they wanted to do with it. and on occasion I can see why Angus has the appreciation for it that he does. It came on a random shuffle the other day and when you go into it fresh it can be powerful.
Plus I don't really think of stupid mop as a song. So the fact that I don't enjoy it doesn't matter as much. And it's at the end of the album so I can ignore it. I can always stop no code at present tense but it feels like cheating in a way skipping stupid mop doesn't. It's also 3 songs, where stupid mop is just one track (albeit a long one)
But like I said it's opinions and preferences, therefore I didn't think it was worth it, as well as you also mentioning you enjoyed No Code regardless.
aren't we here to talk about our opinions and preferences? Whether or not it was your intention, comments like yours are dismissive. When people write something directed at you it is respectful to respond. If you have nothing to add then something like fair enough is certainly preferable to oy, which indicates that 'I disagree, find your opinion foolish, and don't deem it worth my time to respond to you.'
TL,DR is also a pet peeve of mine.
And comments like mine? Or that particular comment? Because I feel as though I'm pretty thoughtful and respectful, even if I happen to disagree.