Red Mosquito

tommymtcom wrote:

B wrote:Should we have a thread for debating the eras? Because I lump Binaural, Riot Act, and Avocado together in my head as their political albums.

That's insane.

It hasn't stopped him before.

Strat wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I'd have to include VFC in the "Riot Act Era" as they are inescapably tied thematically.

Though not anymore than S/T :\

Which is why this becomes sticky to me. But still, VFC on the heels of RA makes way more sense as connective tissue to that than S/T, to me. I have a hard time defining a era before, if that makes sense. I know chud just did that but I'm not sure I actually agree.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Strat wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I'd have to include VFC in the "Riot Act Era" as they are inescapably tied thematically.

Though not anymore than S/T :\

Which is why this becomes sticky to me. But still, VFC on the heels of RA makes way more sense as connective tissue to that than S/T, to me. I have a hard time defining a era before, if that makes sense. I know chud just did that but I'm not sure I actually agree.

Hmm. I think Riot Act is a direct response to Binaural and Roskilde, as much as S/T is a direct response from their experiences during VFC and the election.

Strat wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Strat wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I'd have to include VFC in the "Riot Act Era" as they are inescapably tied thematically.

Though not anymore than S/T :\

Which is why this becomes sticky to me. But still, VFC on the heels of RA makes way more sense as connective tissue to that than S/T, to me. I have a hard time defining a era before, if that makes sense. I know chud just did that but I'm not sure I actually agree.

Hmm. I think Riot Act is a direct response to Binaural and Roskilde, as much as S/T is a direct response from their experiences during VFC and the election.

That's interesting...

You might be right, actually. I have to think about it.

That being said: The way they were still playing as a live band on VFC, Canada, and even into 06 is way more reminiscent of Pre PRAMG

durdencommatyler wrote:

Strat wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Strat wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I'd have to include VFC in the "Riot Act Era" as they are inescapably tied thematically.

Though not anymore than S/T :\

Which is why this becomes sticky to me. But still, VFC on the heels of RA makes way more sense as connective tissue to that than S/T, to me. I have a hard time defining a era before, if that makes sense. I know chud just did that but I'm not sure I actually agree.

Hmm. I think Riot Act is a direct response to Binaural and Roskilde, as much as S/T is a direct response from their experiences during VFC and the election.

That's interesting...

You might be right, actually. I have to think about it.

The covers they were playing during the VFC were basically turned into pj songs for s/t

Is it weird that I think of Riot Act more as a war/protest album than S/T?

durdencommatyler wrote:Is it weird that I think of Riot Act more as a war/protest album than S/T?

No

LetMeSleep wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Is it weird that I think of Riot Act more as a war/protest album than S/T?

No

I'm glad you're here.

durdencommatyler wrote:Is it weird that I think of Riot Act more as a war/protest album than S/T?

I do think its weird because ive always connected to it more on an emotional battle level. emotional and intrinsic rather than a fight outwardly against a political system. The target of most ed's words are towards himself.


"To myself i surrender, to the one ill never please" seems to sum up most of the album for me.

But there's no surf song on Riot Act.

durdencommatyler wrote:But there's no surf song on Riot Act.

Fuck Riot Act is a depressing album but good gosh darn if i dont absolutely love it

Strat wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:But there's no surf song on Riot Act.

Fuck Riot Act is a depressing album but good gosh darn if i dont absolutely love it

I actually think it's a really uplifting album. I don't really see the depressing argument. Every song has a spark, every song is about life and will. It's a really powerful and positive record. That's one of the reasons I love it so much.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Strat wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:But there's no surf song on Riot Act.

Fuck Riot Act is a depressing album but good gosh darn if i dont absolutely love it

I actually think it's a really uplifting album. I don't really see the depressing argument. Every song has a spark, every song is about life and will. It's a really powerful and positive record. That's one of the reasons I love it so much.

Yea, no, I agree. You have to really dig for it though. I loved it for many years because it was a companion for me going through really hard stuff. It was okay that it wasn' a fun album, or immediately uplifting. It was nice knowing that - Shit, if Ed Ved can feel like this, its okay I do too. That itself was uplifting enough for me.

Now that im in a different place, i hear some of the songs in a different aspect and can pull out different viewpoints.

I love Riot Act.

Strat wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:But there's no surf song on Riot Act.

Fuck Riot Act is a depressing album but good gosh darn if i dont absolutely love it

Riot Act is my favorite album.

turned2black wrote:No.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Team Chud

Strat wrote:Yea gotta go with Chud on this one.

numbers wrote:I am definitely Team Chud on this one.

Suck it, '2black.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

turned2black wrote:No.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Team Chud

Strat wrote:Yea gotta go with Chud on this one.

numbers wrote:I am definitely Team Chud on this one.

Suck it, '2black.

OK.

Next time I'm in Boston, we'll do the parking lot thing again.

turned2black wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

turned2black wrote:No.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Team Chud

Strat wrote:Yea gotta go with Chud on this one.

numbers wrote:I am definitely Team Chud on this one.

Suck it, '2black.

OK.

Next time I'm in Boston, we'll do the parking lot thing again.

THE PRAMG label came into existence when the board decided that pearl jam's music sucks now and they only care about making money even though they're also too lazy to do anything to actually make money. Since S/T is the official start of their being independent and you had the noticeable uptick in promotional visibility it's the starting point of that era. It makes sense to include everything prior to the S/T sessions in the Riot Act era of the band. The tours, one off songs, promotional singles, etc. are still within the gravitational orbit of the previous album.

There are no thematic dimensions to PRAMG, so the fact that S/T is in conversation with Riot Act and Binaural is irrelevant. Backspacer is every bit as much a part of that conversation. The fact that S/T is now finally beginning its reassessment and people are discovering it's actually a solid record that they like is what complicates this. We only use PRAMG pejoratively. But when that phrase first came into existence it was clearly intended to include S/T.

Oh, and

Life Wasted
World Wide Suicide
Comatose
Parachutes
The Fixer
Force of Nature
Mind Your Manners
Lightning Bolt
Sleeping By Myself
Yellow Moon

Though it only has two songs on here Backspacer is my favorite album of the three.