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Re: A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books

Posted: Tue June 07, 2016 2:34 am
by Simple Torture
It's been a while, so help me out: doesn't Jaime also know about Cersei's affairs by the time he goes to the Riverlands in the books?

Re: A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books

Posted: Tue June 07, 2016 2:36 am
by Norah
Yep, Tyrion told him on his way out of the Red Keep.

Re: A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books

Posted: Tue June 07, 2016 2:36 am
by Mecca
Simple Torture wrote:It's been a while, so help me out: doesn't Jaime also know about Cersei's affairs by the time he goes to the Riverlands in the books?
and moonboy for all i know...

Re: A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books

Posted: Tue June 07, 2016 2:37 am
by Norah
I just made that post, and then deleted it to get the complete quote.

Well, here I am so.

Cersei is a lying whore, she's been fucking Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack and probably Moon Boy for all I know.

Re: A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books

Posted: Tue June 07, 2016 7:56 pm
by epilogue
Every single episode this season has had a reference to Cat and/or something to set up LSH. If it doesn't happen, how fucking pissed will you guys be?

Re: A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books

Posted: Tue June 07, 2016 8:01 pm
by Norah
Even if it does happen they're going to fuck it up.

Re: A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books

Posted: Tue June 07, 2016 8:02 pm
by epilogue
:lol:

I love and hate (equally) how little faith you have in this TV show, Pete.

Re: A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books

Posted: Tue June 07, 2016 8:02 pm
by Norah
I mean, I still enjoy watching the show. But the second I start thinking about what I actually saw, I hate it.

Re: A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books

Posted: Tue June 07, 2016 8:51 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Re: A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books

Posted: Tue June 07, 2016 9:03 pm
by epilogue
tragabigzanda wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:Every single episode this season has had a reference to Cat and/or something to set up LSH. If it doesn't happen, how fucking pissed will you guys be?
I'd be unhappy, though it's sort of silly considering that (to my understanding) she is not developed beyond her initial appearance in ASOS. I want her story to be epic, but in the books she might actually play a fairly insignificant role.
Sure, it's possible. But it's far more likely that George RR Martin just hasn't gotten there yet because he has to juggle 1 billion plots and also for a writer he sure seems to hate writing.

Re: A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books

Posted: Tue June 07, 2016 9:19 pm
by Norah
tragabigzanda wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:Every single episode this season has had a reference to Cat and/or something to set up LSH. If it doesn't happen, how fucking pissed will you guys be?
I'd be unhappy, though it's sort of silly considering that (to my understanding) she is not developed beyond her initial appearance in ASOS. I want her story to be epic, but in the books she might actually play a fairly insignificant role.
By the end of adwd it seems like she's coming back into things.

Re: A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books

Posted: Wed June 08, 2016 4:49 pm
by Mecca
Littlefinger was at the tourney at Harrenhal and implied through facial cues that he knew more to the story than what Sansa believes

Re: A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books

Posted: Wed June 08, 2016 5:04 pm
by Monkey_Driven
Mecca wrote:Littlefinger was at the tourney at Harrenhal and implied through facial cues that he knew more to the story than what Sansa believes
Sure, but so were a bunch of other people and they don't/didn't know Jon's true parentage.

Re: A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books

Posted: Wed June 08, 2016 5:05 pm
by epilogue
Littlefinger deals in secrets. I'm not going to be surprised that he knows things others don't. That's kinda his thing.

Re: A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books

Posted: Wed June 08, 2016 5:18 pm
by Simple Torture
Monkey_Driven wrote:
Mecca wrote:Littlefinger was at the tourney at Harrenhal and implied through facial cues that he knew more to the story than what Sansa believes
Sure, but so were a bunch of other people and they don't/didn't know Jon's true parentage.
I imagine he doesn't know Jon's parentage, but rather that Rhegar didn't "kidnap" Lyanna.

Re: A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books

Posted: Wed June 08, 2016 5:19 pm
by Zantac Junkie
I would imagine that Benjen (and Bran) is the most likely person to tell Jon. If Ned told anyone, I'd would think it would be his only remaining sibling.

Re: A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books

Posted: Wed June 08, 2016 5:21 pm
by Mecca
Simple Torture wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
Mecca wrote:Littlefinger was at the tourney at Harrenhal and implied through facial cues that he knew more to the story than what Sansa believes
Sure, but so were a bunch of other people and they don't/didn't know Jon's true parentage.
I imagine he doesn't know Jon's parentage, but rather that Rhegar didn't "kidnap" Lyanna.
probably closer to the truth

Re: A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books

Posted: Wed June 08, 2016 5:21 pm
by Norah
Simple Torture wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
Mecca wrote:Littlefinger was at the tourney at Harrenhal and implied through facial cues that he knew more to the story than what Sansa believes
Sure, but so were a bunch of other people and they don't/didn't know Jon's true parentage.
I imagine he doesn't know Jon's parentage, but rather that Rhegar didn't "kidnap" Lyanna.
Yeah, but I'm sure a lot of Targ loyalists buy that version of the story.

Re: A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books

Posted: Wed June 08, 2016 5:21 pm
by Simple Torture
Zantac Junkie wrote:I would imagine that Benjen (and Bran) is the most likely person to tell Jon. If Ned told anyone, I'd would think it would be his only remaining sibling.
Doubtful, since we know Ned would never break a promise; it's one of the only absolutes in the entire ASOIF universe. I am convinced the only other person who knows is Howland Reed.

Re: A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books

Posted: Wed June 08, 2016 5:22 pm
by Norah
Simple Torture wrote:
Zantac Junkie wrote:I would imagine that Benjen (and Bran) is the most likely person to tell Jon. If Ned told anyone, I'd would think it would be his only remaining sibling.
Doubtful, since we know Ned would never break a promise; it's one of the only absolutes in the entire ASOIF universe. I am convinced the only other person who knows is Howland Reed.
Yep. He wouldn't even tell Catelyn which would have made Jon's life immensely easier.