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macphisto wrote:Convert prisons to hospitals since we’re not locking up violent criminals anymore. Any other problems I can solve?

spike wrote:

macphisto wrote:Convert prisons to hospitals since we’re not locking up violent criminals anymore. Any other problems I can solve?

Who’s staffing those new hospitals?

BurtReynolds wrote:I could be wrong.

BurtReynolds wrote:How does vaccination cut down on spread? I don't pay much attention, but from what I've heard it doesn't appear that vaccination is preventing the spread?

Seems like vaxxed people have more of a chance to spread the virus (since vaccination itself apparently doesn't affect the spread) since the unvaxxed are more likely to become deathly ill from it and remove themselves from society. Right?

spike wrote:

macphisto wrote:Convert prisons to hospitals since we’re not locking up violent criminals anymore. Any other problems I can solve?

Who’s staffing those new hospitals?

Bammer wrote:

spike wrote:

macphisto wrote:Convert prisons to hospitals since we’re not locking up violent criminals anymore. Any other problems I can solve?

Who’s staffing those new hospitals?

Oops, nobody because your boy is paying them to stay home.

Try again, Mac!

macphisto wrote:

spike wrote:

macphisto wrote:Convert prisons to hospitals since we’re not locking up violent criminals anymore. Any other problems I can solve?

Who’s staffing those new hospitals?

They could start by hiring back all the nurses and doctors that were fired for refusing the clot shot(s). Maybe have a job fair. These things have a way of working themselves out.

Mickey wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:I could be wrong.

Rest assured, you are!

BurtReynolds wrote:How does vaccination cut down on spread? I don't pay much attention, but from what I've heard it doesn't appear that vaccination is preventing the spread?

Seems like vaxxed people have more of a chance to spread the virus (since vaccination itself apparently doesn't affect the spread) since the unvaxxed are more likely to become deathly ill from it and remove themselves from society. Right?

You're playing a weird counter-factual here and misunderstanding the mechanics of infection. Spread is essentially contiguous with severe infection, so vaccination is preventing spread by preventing infection. It's true that cases are way up right now, but the three-shot regimen prevents something like 70% protection against the disease, even with omicron (two-shot is down to something like 20%, J&J essentially zero). So any numbers you're seeing right now would be even higher without vaccination. Add to that the fact that mild infections (way more common among the vaccinated) are less likely to produce as significant of viral loads as more severe infections, and you have a pretty open and shut case that vaccines prevent spread.

It's also true that the unvaccinated are dying at much higher rates. But by the time they've entered the hospital, they've already (generally) spent 10-12 days contagious. They've by and large already infected whoever they're going to infect, whether they die or not.

Mickey wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:I could be wrong.

Rest assured, you are!

BurtReynolds wrote:How does vaccination cut down on spread? I don't pay much attention, but from what I've heard it doesn't appear that vaccination is preventing the spread?

Seems like vaxxed people have more of a chance to spread the virus (since vaccination itself apparently doesn't affect the spread) since the unvaxxed are more likely to become deathly ill from it and remove themselves from society. Right?

You're playing a weird counter-factual here and misunderstanding the mechanics of infection. Spread is essentially contiguous with severe infection, so vaccination is preventing spread by preventing infection. It's true that cases are way up right now, but the three-shot regimen prevents something like 70% protection against the disease, even with omicron (two-shot is down to something like 20%, J&J essentially zero). So any numbers you're seeing right now would be even higher without vaccination. Add to that the fact that mild infections (way more common among the vaccinated) are less likely to produce as significant of viral loads as more severe infections, and you have a pretty open and shut case that vaccines prevent spread.

It's also true that the unvaccinated are dying at much higher rates. But by the time they've entered the hospital, they've already (generally) spent 10-12 days contagious. They've by and large already infected whoever they're going to infect, whether they die or not.

British scientists at the University of Oxford examined national records of nearly 150,000 contacts that were traced from roughly 100,000 initial cases. The samples included people who were fully or partially vaccinated with either the Pfizer-BioNTech or the AstraZeneca vaccines, as well as people who were unvaccinated. The researchers then looked at how the vaccines affected the spread of the virus if a person had a breakthrough infection with either the alpha variant or the highly contagious delta variant.

Both vaccines reduced transmission, although they were more effective against the alpha variant compared to the delta variant. When infected with the delta variant, a given contact was 65 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated with two doses of the Pfizer vaccine. With AstraZeneca, a given contact was 36 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated.

BurtReynolds wrote:

Mickey wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:I could be wrong.

Rest assured, you are!

BurtReynolds wrote:How does vaccination cut down on spread? I don't pay much attention, but from what I've heard it doesn't appear that vaccination is preventing the spread?

Seems like vaxxed people have more of a chance to spread the virus (since vaccination itself apparently doesn't affect the spread) since the unvaxxed are more likely to become deathly ill from it and remove themselves from society. Right?

You're playing a weird counter-factual here and misunderstanding the mechanics of infection. Spread is essentially contiguous with severe infection, so vaccination is preventing spread by preventing infection. It's true that cases are way up right now, but the three-shot regimen prevents something like 70% protection against the disease, even with omicron (two-shot is down to something like 20%, J&J essentially zero). So any numbers you're seeing right now would be even higher without vaccination. Add to that the fact that mild infections (way more common among the vaccinated) are less likely to produce as significant of viral loads as more severe infections, and you have a pretty open and shut case that vaccines prevent spread.

It's also true that the unvaccinated are dying at much higher rates. But by the time they've entered the hospital, they've already (generally) spent 10-12 days contagious. They've by and large already infected whoever they're going to infect, whether they die or not.

Is that 70% number for infection rate?

Bammer wrote:

Mickey wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:I could be wrong.

Rest assured, you are!

BurtReynolds wrote:How does vaccination cut down on spread? I don't pay much attention, but from what I've heard it doesn't appear that vaccination is preventing the spread?

Seems like vaxxed people have more of a chance to spread the virus (since vaccination itself apparently doesn't affect the spread) since the unvaxxed are more likely to become deathly ill from it and remove themselves from society. Right?

You're playing a weird counter-factual here and misunderstanding the mechanics of infection. Spread is essentially contiguous with severe infection, so vaccination is preventing spread by preventing infection. It's true that cases are way up right now, but the three-shot regimen prevents something like 70% protection against the disease, even with omicron (two-shot is down to something like 20%, J&J essentially zero). So any numbers you're seeing right now would be even higher without vaccination. Add to that the fact that mild infections (way more common among the vaccinated) are less likely to produce as significant of viral loads as more severe infections, and you have a pretty open and shut case that vaccines prevent spread.

It's also true that the unvaccinated are dying at much higher rates. But by the time they've entered the hospital, they've already (generally) spent 10-12 days contagious. They've by and large already infected whoever they're going to infect, whether they die or not.

Yeah we’re gonna need sources

spike wrote:

Bammer wrote:

spike wrote:

macphisto wrote:Convert prisons to hospitals since we’re not locking up violent criminals anymore. Any other problems I can solve?

Who’s staffing those new hospitals?

Oops, nobody because your boy is paying them to stay home.

Try again, Mac!

What does this even mean?

Mickey wrote:Nobody wants to work anymore

Bammer wrote:

Mickey wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:I could be wrong.

Rest assured, you are!

BurtReynolds wrote:How does vaccination cut down on spread? I don't pay much attention, but from what I've heard it doesn't appear that vaccination is preventing the spread?

Seems like vaxxed people have more of a chance to spread the virus (since vaccination itself apparently doesn't affect the spread) since the unvaxxed are more likely to become deathly ill from it and remove themselves from society. Right?

You're playing a weird counter-factual here and misunderstanding the mechanics of infection. Spread is essentially contiguous with severe infection, so vaccination is preventing spread by preventing infection. It's true that cases are way up right now, but the three-shot regimen prevents something like 70% protection against the disease, even with omicron (two-shot is down to something like 20%, J&J essentially zero). So any numbers you're seeing right now would be even higher without vaccination. Add to that the fact that mild infections (way more common among the vaccinated) are less likely to produce as significant of viral loads as more severe infections, and you have a pretty open and shut case that vaccines prevent spread.

It's also true that the unvaccinated are dying at much higher rates. But by the time they've entered the hospital, they've already (generally) spent 10-12 days contagious. They've by and large already infected whoever they're going to infect, whether they die or not.

Yeah we’re gonna need sources

Bammer wrote:Anyway, my decision to wear a seatbelt around my body is about MY safety. It has no bearing on anyone else driving the streets along with me. Their decision to seatbelt or not will matter only to them if we get into an accident. I'm doing nobody but myself any favors or disservice either way from a physical safety perspective.

macphisto wrote:spike, tell us again how your fully vaccinated boosted plus plus max family infected each other over the holidays.