Red Mosquito

Leatherhead wrote:I'm tired of this Dave A. shit. I really don't care. He played on 2 albums and was in the band for what, 4 years? Big deal. Get over it.

Not even 4 years, right?

Monkey_Driven wrote:

Leatherhead wrote:I'm tired of this Dave A. shit. I really don't care. He played on 2 albums and was in the band for what, 4 years? Big deal. Get over it.

Not even 4 years, right?

First show was in August of '91.
Fired in August of '94.

wease wrote:Joey, E-slow, excellent write-ups. Thank you guys.

X2. Great stuff, guys. Thank you for sharing the experience.

evenslow wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

Leatherhead wrote:I'm tired of this Dave A. shit. I really don't care. He played on 2 albums and was in the band for what, 4 years? Big deal. Get over it.

Not even 4 years, right?

First show was in August of '91.
Fired in August of '94.

So 3 years. Contributed to two albums.

He's the Uncle Rico of grunge.

He sounds so bitter. He should have been there, contact Stone or whatever..say hi to Ed. Dude, its just so boring to keep complaining about the same stuff...and he feels he was more important than dave k? weird.

LetMeSleep wrote:Enter Strat.....

VinylGuy wrote:...and he feels he was more important than dave k? weird.

Is it?

Abbruzzese is the iconic Pearl Jam drummer and that's never going to change.

Birds in Hell wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:...and he feels he was more important than dave k? weird.

Is it?

Abbruzzese is the iconic Pearl Jam drummer and that's never going to change.

Absolutely.

Birds in Hell wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:...and he feels he was more important than dave k? weird.

Is it?

Abbruzzese is the iconic Pearl Jam drummer and that's never going to change.

its not for him to weight in and say he is more important than the guy who played in Ten.

Dave Abbruzzese wrote: Not true, the band and the hall did not invite or contact me.. The band tweeted that they welcomed the idea of the event granting the possibility of all the drummers to be in the same room. That isnt an invite

I fucking knew it!

Nothing like a grown man whining on YouTube. Zzzz's

What an awful comment about Dave k too.

theplatypus wrote:

Dave Abbruzzese wrote: Not true, the band and the hall did not invite or contact me.. The band tweeted that they welcomed the idea of the event granting the possibility of all the drummers to be in the same room. That isnt an invite

I fucking knew it!

I look at it like this (but I'm getting increasingly bored): PJ, in all honesty, probably doesn't want him there b/c they just plain don't like the guy and don't want what is supposed to be an awesome night turn into an awkward-fest. Also, everyone often forgets the fact that it's been 23 YEARS since he was in the band... but anyway they know he's an integral part of their rise and history and blah blah blah. So they throw out an olive branch, a general "invite" to all drummers to gauge his reaction. He... doesn't react. Doesn't get in contact with anyone in the band or associated with the band. You would think he'd at least reach out to an old buddy on the crew or someone at Curtis Management or Vandenberg Communications, you know, an email that would take up 3 minutes of his busy-evading-the-law life. You would especially think this after the past 6 months spent complaining about not getting invited. Instead, he holds fast to some "principle" of not being "directly" emailed an Evite by Edward Vedder himself. This allows for further grandstanding and showcasing of 48 year old immaturity.

Here's all he had to do: send an email to LITERALLY ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH PEARL JAM and say I appreciate the band wants to include all the drummers I would love to be in Brooklyn to celebrate the event with everyone. They pay his way to the ceremony, he smiles and nods the whole night while getting closer to an arena stage then he ever will for the rest of his cymbal hitting life.

The End

Maybe? Feels really weird to say that the onus was on him to contact them and ask to be formally invited.

To me this mostly makes that press release they sent sound disingenuous and weaselly.

I know this topic is tiresome and I don't want to take away from the conversation in the last couple pages so I'll shush about it.

Chamberlain made a statement about not going. Dave could have done the same.

What a drama queen...i was at this side of the argument till this.

evenslow wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

Dave Abbruzzese wrote: Not true, the band and the hall did not invite or contact me.. The band tweeted that they welcomed the idea of the event granting the possibility of all the drummers to be in the same room. That isnt an invite

I fucking knew it!

I look at it like this (but I'm getting increasingly bored): PJ, in all honesty, probably doesn't want him there b/c they just plain don't like the guy and don't want what is supposed to be an awesome night turn into an awkward-fest. Also, everyone often forgets the fact that it's been 23 YEARS since he was in the band... but anyway they know he's an integral part of their rise and history and blah blah blah. So they throw out an olive branch, a general "invite" to all drummers to gauge his reaction. He... doesn't react. Doesn't get in contact with anyone in the band or associated with the band. You would think he'd at least reach out to an old buddy on the crew or someone at Curtis Management or Vandenberg Communications, you know, an email that would take up 3 minutes of his busy-evading-the-law life. You would especially think this after the past 6 months spent complaining about not getting invited. Instead, he holds fast to some "principle" of not being "directly" emailed an Evite by Edward Vedder himself. This allows for further grandstanding and showcasing of 48 year old immaturity.

Here's all he had to do: send an email to LITERALLY ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH PEARL JAM and say I appreciate the band wants to include all the drummers I would love to be in Brooklyn to celebrate the event with everyone. They pay his way to the ceremony, he smiles and nods the whole night while getting closer to an arena stage then he ever will for the rest of his cymbal hitting life.

The End

Yep, and yep. I think that's it. I don't think there's some secret Pearl Jam cable of communication here. Between the drummers, alot of these relationships have been strained or estranged. Even Jack Irons, if you read the PJ20 book, had 4-5 years where he said he had minimal communication with the band. He simply showed up to one of their gigs, said hello and they reconnected. The love is still there. It's just that relationships are awkward like that. Dave Krusen hadn't talked to the band in 20 years. He gave that Rolling Stone interview and he was very humbled. I'd assume someone in the band or organization read it or heard about it, and he recently said Matt, Jeff, and Ed all contacted him. Any interview I've read of Krusen before was always gracious and he always acknowledged his own shortcomings, to an almost painful degree of regret. Chamberlain I think they just barely really got to know. He was just a dude who filled in for a couple of months.

Dave A, he just had to respond in a halfway positive manner. I really don't think he had to say "I'm sorry guys, maybe I was a disagreeable dick back in the day, and I come on bended knee in apology." He could have just communicated to someone after that note, and then their could have been some awkward reunion at worst, or something more cathartic at best. Like Evenslow said, I think he just had to respond in a non-negative manner. Not even a positive "yippee, they invited me!", but just don't be an ass in your response. It's clear he doesn't have the personality to mediate or collaborate or meet in the middle or whatever. He's just not a dude who can function in a band of 5 people. I guess I can understand to a point. I've been dumped by a girl before. You certainly have visions of them one day wising up and wanting you to come back and wanting them to beg on their hands and knees over their big mistake. But shit, you gotta handle it better. Maybe he has some Kanye Trump personality disorder or something. I dunno, but it's clear as day why he was fired. What a dick.

VinylGuy wrote:Chamberlain made a statement about not going. Dave could have done the same.

What a drama queen...i was at this side of the argument till this.

You know, I'm having second thoughts on if he's really a good guy or not. Maybe he's been playing the sympathy card with the fans and milking that end of it. I think it is now coming to light how he's a very difficult personality. Like, unredeemingly difficult. Everyone has maturity issues when they're in their twenties, but people grow out of it. I mean, this is 23 years later and he;s acting like this. Now I'm thinking to myself "Thank God they fired him."

theplatypus wrote:Maybe? Feels really weird to say that the onus was on him to contact them and ask to be formally invited.

To me this mostly makes that press release they sent sound disingenuous and weaselly.

I know this topic is tiresome and I don't want to take away from the conversation in the last couple pages so I'll shush about it.

I also don't feel like getting lost in the weeds of this argument any further either but totally agreed, it's beyond me how anyone thinks this situation reflects well on Pearl Jam and poorly on Abbruzzese.

Birds in Hell wrote:

theplatypus wrote:Maybe? Feels really weird to say that the onus was on him to contact them and ask to be formally invited.

To me this mostly makes that press release they sent sound disingenuous and weaselly.

I know this topic is tiresome and I don't want to take away from the conversation in the last couple pages so I'll shush about it.

I also don't feel like getting lost in the weeds of this argument any further either but totally agreed, it's beyond me how anyone thinks this situation reflects well on Pearl Jam and poorly on Abbruzzese.

agreed

Tuolumne wrote:

evenslow wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

Dave Abbruzzese wrote: Not true, the band and the hall did not invite or contact me.. The band tweeted that they welcomed the idea of the event granting the possibility of all the drummers to be in the same room. That isnt an invite

I fucking knew it!

I look at it like this (but I'm getting increasingly bored): PJ, in all honesty, probably doesn't want him there b/c they just plain don't like the guy and don't want what is supposed to be an awesome night turn into an awkward-fest. Also, everyone often forgets the fact that it's been 23 YEARS since he was in the band... but anyway they know he's an integral part of their rise and history and blah blah blah. So they throw out an olive branch, a general "invite" to all drummers to gauge his reaction. He... doesn't react. Doesn't get in contact with anyone in the band or associated with the band. You would think he'd at least reach out to an old buddy on the crew or someone at Curtis Management or Vandenberg Communications, you know, an email that would take up 3 minutes of his busy-evading-the-law life. You would especially think this after the past 6 months spent complaining about not getting invited. Instead, he holds fast to some "principle" of not being "directly" emailed an Evite by Edward Vedder himself. This allows for further grandstanding and showcasing of 48 year old immaturity.

Here's all he had to do: send an email to LITERALLY ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH PEARL JAM and say I appreciate the band wants to include all the drummers I would love to be in Brooklyn to celebrate the event with everyone. They pay his way to the ceremony, he smiles and nods the whole night while getting closer to an arena stage then he ever will for the rest of his cymbal hitting life.

The End

Yep, and yep. I think that's it. I don't think there's some secret Pearl Jam cable of communication here. Between the drummers, alot of these relationships have been strained or estranged. Even Jack Irons, if you read the PJ20 book, had 4-5 years where he said he had minimal communication with the band. He simply showed up to one of their gigs, said hello and they reconnected. The love is still there. It's just that relationships are awkward like that. Dave Krusen hadn't talked to the band in 20 years. He gave that Rolling Stone interview and he was very humbled. I'd assume someone in the band or organization read it or heard about it, and he recently said Matt, Jeff, and Ed all contacted him. Any interview I've read of Krusen before was always gracious and he always acknowledged his own shortcomings, to an almost painful degree of regret. Chamberlain I think they just barely really got to know. He was just a dude who filled in for a couple of months.

Dave A, he just had to respond in a halfway positive manner. I really don't think he had to say "I'm sorry guys, maybe I was a disagreeable dick back in the day, and I come on bended knee in apology." He could have just communicated to someone after that note, and then their could have been some awkward reunion at worst, or something more cathartic at best. Like Evenslow said, I think he just had to respond in a non-negative manner. Not even a positive "yippee, they invited me!", but just don't be an ass in your response. It's clear he doesn't have the personality to mediate or collaborate or meet in the middle or whatever. He's just not a dude who can function in a band of 5 people. I guess I can understand to a point. I've been dumped by a girl before. You certainly have visions of them one day wising up and wanting you to come back and wanting them to beg on their hands and knees over their big mistake. But shit, you gotta handle it better. Maybe he has some Kanye Trump personality disorder or something. I dunno, but it's clear as day why he was fired. What a dick.

Birds in Hell wrote:

theplatypus wrote:Maybe? Feels really weird to say that the onus was on him to contact them and ask to be formally invited.

To me this mostly makes that press release they sent sound disingenuous and weaselly.

I know this topic is tiresome and I don't want to take away from the conversation in the last couple pages so I'll shush about it.

I also don't feel like getting lost in the weeds of this argument any further either but totally agreed, it's beyond me how anyone thinks this situation reflects well on Pearl Jam and poorly on Abbruzzese.

I can't see how this does not reflect poorly on Dave A. I think we were expecting one of the band numbers to get his cell number, call him and go "come on man, we miss you! Please join us! And we'll walk right up to Jann Wenner together and tell him to fuck off, and then we'll all walk out of the Barclays Center and embarrass the HoF in solidarity of them not including you in the induction." I get it, he certainly should have been inducted. It's still no reason to act like a monumental asshole. If I was one the guys in the band, and I was absolutely sure Dave A hated my guts, I don't think I'd want to call unless he know he's cooled off a bit. But he hasn't cooled off at all, so not the kind of call anyone in the band may want to make, especially if they think they made the right decision in firing him.

An alternate scenario could have been: he reconnects the way Evenslow described, shows up humbly to the ceremony, while Ed mentions him in the speech the camera pans and the audience gives him a minute long standing O, he stands up and the audience keeps going and it's a big emotional crescendo and the headlines and stories the following night make this the big news since the Steve Perry thing didn't happen. (I really believe the audience would have went ballistic if he was there while Ed shouted him out. It would have made the whole night. And btw way, the big standing ovation which he would have gotten would have made him feel more like a million bucks than any trophy would). Then he would have joined in on RITFW, and then .... HE WINS! Yeah, he wouldn't have gotten the trophy, but he would have looked like the better person and we would all be loving him for it and missing him and wondering why he couldn't have stuck around. But instead .....