Red Mosquito

oneway23 wrote:

bluestate wrote:Both of these threads have devolved into utter nonsense. Total conjecture based on ZERO real information! FFS, pull yourselves together, man

It's record roll-out time, where people try out new gimmicks and characters, depending on day, mood, & temperament...We're like the WWE in here.

and this is why PJ are making wrestling entrance music now

tragabigzanda wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:I miss when my favorite band felt like an organically cohesive creative unit with egalitarian business principles.

you’ve got two ideas in that sentence. Most everything we know about the recording process for this record speaks to a much more organically cohesive creative process than we have seen in a long time - 5 guys writing in a room together. Getting feedback from a producer hardly feels like creative bankruptcy. I have loved the few times in my life I’ve gotten feedback from editors, and even the writing i do for work I constantly solicit feedback on. It has never felt any less authentically mine for it - but it does (hopefully) crystalize and distil
what i do best

tragabigzanda wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:I miss when my favorite band felt like an organically cohesive creative unit with egalitarian business principles.

Sure, who doesn't? But it's not like we haven't already had 20 years to adjust to this new reality. 20 years to beat this dead horse to a bloody pulp.

stip wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:I miss when my favorite band felt like an organically cohesive creative unit with egalitarian business principles.

you’ve got two ideas in that sentence. Most everything we know about the recording process for this record speaks to a much more organically cohesive creative process than we have seen in a long time - 5 guys writing in a room together. Getting feedback from a producer hardly feels like creative bankruptcy. I have loved the few times in my life I’ve gotten feedback from editors, and even the writing i do for work I constantly solicit feedback on. It has never felt any less authentically mine for it - but it does (hopefully) crystalize and distil
what i do best

Stip, I don't often read all the way to the end of a lot of your posts, partially because I'm not one too into big in depth dissections of song lyrics, partly because I only have so much time in a day, but it's posts like these that make me appreciate what a treasure you are around here. Well damn said.

Higgs wrote:

stip wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:I miss when my favorite band felt like an organically cohesive creative unit with egalitarian business principles.

you’ve got two ideas in that sentence. Most everything we know about the recording process for this record speaks to a much more organically cohesive creative process than we have seen in a long time - 5 guys writing in a room together. Getting feedback from a producer hardly feels like creative bankruptcy. I have loved the few times in my life I’ve gotten feedback from editors, and even the writing i do for work I constantly solicit feedback on. It has never felt any less authentically mine for it - but it does (hopefully) crystalize and distil
what i do best

Stip, I don't often read all the way to the end of a lot of your posts, partially because I'm not one too into big in depth dissections of song lyrics, partly because I only have so much time in a day, but it's posts like these that make me appreciate what a treasure you are around here. Well damn said.

Stip is in great form these days, team.

I'd say he has a sizable lead for RMer of the Year.

And we've got 10 more songs for him to interpret and reflect upon.

tragabigzanda wrote:

stip wrote:I have loved the few times in my life I’ve gotten feedback from editors

The mind reels

as a writer, I have zero idea why your mind is "reeling" to know that editorial is a necessary part of the process

Ms. Harmless is working on it, Trag. Hold on!

I know who won't be winning that award

tragabigzanda wrote: jfc harmless

what the fuck is your issue?

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote: jfc harmless

what the fuck is your issue?

I bet he's constipated.

tragabigzanda wrote:But there’s nothing organic about how it sounds. It sounds like plastic. So his post holds no water for me.

the ear hears what it hears. Your experience of the song is real and true to you. But it’s a pretty big leap from ‘I don’t like how this sounds’ to ‘this process and the people who participated have no integrity because I don’t like it’

Ms Harmless wrote:

oneway23 wrote:

bluestate wrote:Both of these threads have devolved into utter nonsense. Total conjecture based on ZERO real information! FFS, pull yourselves together, man

It's record roll-out time, where people try out new gimmicks and characters, depending on day, mood, & temperament...We're like the WWE in here.

and this is why PJ are making wrestling entrance music now

This is what is referred to in comedy as a call-back...tremendous.
Thanks for keeping us on task, Harmless!

tragabigzanda wrote: jfc harmless

In a bizarre moment that I'm sure there's an excellent adjective for in German, I was daydreaming today about RM themed shirts (weird, I know) and jfc trag was the first I thought of.

tragabigzanda wrote:

stip wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:But there’s nothing organic about how it sounds. It sounds like plastic. So his post holds no water for me.

the ear hears what it hears. Your experience of the song is real and true to you. But it’s a pretty big leap from ‘I don’t like how this sounds’ to ‘this process and the people who participated have no integrity because I don’t like it’

I wouldn’t say NO integrity, just noticeably diminishing.

Integrity matters. Sound quality matters.

It’s fine guys. I’m glad to keep listening to their earlier stuff.

not that you need or are asking for my validation, but sound quality issues are legit. Even if it doesn’t bother me or if I fail to notice I get that. there are absolutely pearl jam songs where lyrics get in the way of my enjoyment, or the register/tone of Eddie’s voice - and others don’t notice, don’t care, or even like. But Ive never turned it into an integrity issue, and I fail to see how their use of a superfan producer comes remotely close to becoming one

Higgs wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote: jfc harmless

In a bizarre moment that I'm sure there's an excellent adjective for in German, I was daydreaming today about RM themed shirts (weird, I know) and jfc trag was the first I thought of.

Lol perfect timing