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E.H. Ruddock wrote:Gigaton is not better than ST and that is that!

ST is the more consistent album but i give Gigaton the edge because its got better highs.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Gigaton is not better than ST and that is that!

Agree to disagree!




Please don't ban me

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Gigaton is not better than ST and that is that!

S/T feels so calculated and desperate to be liked. The way it struts around and puffs its chest always felt off-putting to me.

I like about half of the songs on their own, and I don’t dislike any of them. But like Binaural, the album is less than the sum of its parts.

McParadigm wrote:The way it struts around and puffs its chest always felt off-putting to me.

Take it to the "Sum up RM in one sentence" thread

Ms Harmless wrote:

Val wrote:

Thurman Murman wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote: that's my ranking also if I'm honest, but I enjoy all four songs

DOTC is a minor miracle at this stage in their career. Cant imagine anything they make going forward touching it.

I wish they would muster up the courage to make an album full of DOTCs.
Like the u-turn Tame Impala made with Currents.

there were actually Gigaton tracks I liked more than DOTC; I think the whole album was the late career masterpiece

Ya.

Seems like a pretty lazy song. Olé rehashed and beefed up.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

McParadigm wrote:The way it struts around and puffs its chest always felt off-putting to me.

Take it to the "Sum up RM in one sentence" thread

I think I’ll take it to the “no idea what you’re talking about” subforum instead.

I don't think I'd call Gigaton a masterpiece, but it was something I could say was great without qualification (i.e. I didn't have to include a caveat like 'it's good for a 30-year old band'). It was just good on its own merits and in the context of the band's career, and it was definitely a far better record than I was expecting them to be able to make after their fallow period.

I don't think PJ needs to, or should be held to a standard of, needing to equal their best records to make another worthy album for the catalog. They don't need to be as good as Vitalogy, No Code, Yield, etc., but you just want the new album to be hanging out in the same neighborhood, so to speak. It may also be why my expectations were slightly elevated for Dark Matter; I think they're capable of more than just putting out a record with 2-3 more songs that can work its way into a PJ playlist.

McParadigm wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

McParadigm wrote:The way it struts around and puffs its chest always felt off-putting to me.

Take it to the "Sum up RM in one sentence" thread

I think I’ll take it to the “no idea what you’re talking about” subforum instead.

digster wrote:I don't think I'd call Gigaton a masterpiece, but it was something I could say was great without qualification (i.e. I didn't have to include a caveat like 'it's good for a 30-year old band'). It was just good on its own merits and in the context of the band's career, and it was definitely a far better record than I was expecting them to be able to make after their fallow period.

I don't think PJ needs to, or should be held to a standard of, needing to equal their best records to make another worthy album for the catalog. They don't need to be as good as Vitalogy, No Code, Yield, etc., but you just want the new album to be hanging out in the same neighborhood, so to speak. It may also be why my expectations were slightly elevated for Dark Matter; I think they're capable of more than just putting out a record with 2-3 more songs that can work its way into a PJ playlist.

I don't need for any "album" to achieve some commendable-international-acclaim-academy-award-Nobel-peace-prize heights, I just want PEARL JAM SONGS TO BE GREAT FUCKING ROCK SONGS that I'm gonna love and replay the shit out of.

That's all I'm asking for.

McParadigm wrote:Neither Gigaton nor Binaural is a masterpiece, but they both grew out of great and interesting creative ground, and that makes them more interesting than their base quality level.

Shut up.

we're all just chasing that emotional high their music gave us when we were in our prime development. That is that.

Strat wrote:

McParadigm wrote:Neither Gigaton nor Binaural is a masterpiece, but they both grew out of great and interesting creative ground, and that makes them more interesting than their base quality level.

Shut up.

Neither Gigaton nor Binaural is a masterpiece, but they both grew out of great and interesting creative ground, and that makes them more interesting than their base quality level.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

McParadigm wrote:The way it struts around and puffs its chest always felt off-putting to me.

Take it to the "Sum up RM in one sentence" thread

I think I’ll take it to the “no idea what you’re talking about” subforum instead.

Some gifs just deserve to live forever, don’t they?

DeeDee wrote:Come on, Gigaton is not a masterpiece.

I said "late-career masterpiece", which is not the same as Vitalogy, an all-time masterpiece

for me, every song on Gigaton is good to great; it's the only PRAMG album I can always play from beginning to end

all that considered, I refuse to "come on"

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Gigaton is not better than ST and that is that!

it definitely is

literally all I've ever needed from any band (including Pearl Jam) is albums with no skips; that's my only criteria for "great album" (or "masterpiece" when I'm feeling hyperbolic); for me, PJ has 8 of those, 9 at a push; the conditional 9th is S/T, the definite 8th is Gigaton, and the first seven are... the first seven, up to and including Riot Act

In addition to having different opinions about any given piece of art, every individual interprets the word “masterpiece” in a different way.

Regardless of the dictionary definition, some people see masterpiece as a way to describe a creative or technical highwater mark (an artist’s master piece). Others assign it to most any work that feels exemplary. Still others would argue that very few works exist worthy of the term.

So it’s all subjective. Perhaps the only objective fact is that neither Gigaton nor Binaural is a masterpiece, but they both grew out of great and interesting creative ground, and that makes them more interesting than their base quality level.

Dance is a masterpiece